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Why the Abduction Phenomenon Cannot Be Explained Psychiatrically
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Jack_16 
This is something I wanted to post about but honestly I could not possibly give as eloquent, accurate, or descriptive narration as Dr Mack so I posted his article fully. I have no link as I saved it as a document and the website I got it from is defunct. I will look for another but for now here is the article:



Why the Abduction Phenomenon Cannot Be Explained Psychiatrically

by John E. Mack, M.D.



This paper appears in Alien Discussions: Proceedings of the Abduction Study Conference (North Cambridge Press, 1992).


Upon first hearing reports of alien beings taking men, women and children aboard UFOs and subjecting them to various intrusive procedures most people assume that we are dealing here with some form of contemporary psychiatric syndrome. This was certainly my initial reaction. When a colleague invited me in the fall of 1989 to meet with Budd Hopkins (whom I had not heard of at the time), explaining that he took seriously the reports of the abductees he was seeing, I assumed that both he and his subjects must be mentally disturbed. For the phenomenon lies outside the range of realities that are possible in the Western world view, and what is mental illness but thinking and behavior that do not fit that which we have become accustomed to including within the boundaries of accepted reality?

Read the rest at: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl...6prmd%3Div

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"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

-Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC)
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#2
You can believe this, but here is another view about this.
http://www.around.com/abduct.html
Belief bias occurs when we make illogical conclusions in order to confirm our preexisting beliefs. Belief perseverance refers to our tendency to maintain a belief even after the evidence we used to form the belief is contradicted.
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#3
Great post! It is interesting that so many people can claim to been abducted by Aliens and come up with simmilar stories unindependent of each other.
Haki
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#4
Wildcat, I attempted to fix it to where there was a link to the article rather than copying and pasting, which we aren't supposed to do on a full article here. I was able to find it, but I couldn't get it to link directly to the article...rather the home page of the site. The article that you posted is the tenth one down on there, but it is there in its entirety. Thank you for sharing it.
“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ~Philip K. Dick

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(10-04-2010, 10:48 AM)scarygirl67 Wrote: Wildcat, I attempted to fix it to where there was a link to the article rather than copying and pasting, which we aren't supposed to do on a full article here. I was able to find it, but I couldn't get it to link directly to the article...rather the home page of the site. The article that you posted is the tenth one down on there, but it is there in its entirety. Thank you for sharing it.

Thanks ScaryG. I found one and came back to edit it but it wouldn't let me. Much like the cast of Lost, my 15 minutes were up. Icontexto-emoticons-08-032x032
(10-04-2010, 05:42 AM)UglyNRude Wrote: You can believe this, but here is another view about this.
http://www.around.com/abduct.html

Thats really more of a character/professional attack than a differing view IMO.
I didn't really intend to espouse the overall greatness of the author of the article (Mack), as I certainly agree some of his methods were suspect, as much as agree with his reasoning for the Abduction Phenomena not fitting into currently held concepts of "mental illness". I will try to find an actual counterpoint to this. Have had a hard time finding a good one on the particular subject of it being defined as mental illness and what that definition would be.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

-Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC)
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WC, if you have a better link to it, by all means go ahead and add it in another post. I know that the article I found was a translation from Italian, and I'm not sure if it was on there in it's best form or not. But it certainly was a well written article, whether I agreed with what was said or not.

The article, or blog, that UNR linked may have had some harsh things to say about Dr. Mack's character, but I also see a lot of facts backing up what is said in that blog, as well as some good common sense logic.

I completely agree that it is a strong possibility we aren't alone in the universe. However, Dr. Mack's writings are subject to the same scrutiny that anyone who puts a controversial theory out there is going to be subject to. What I see are some very interesting and common sense counter-points to Dr. Mack's theories.
“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ~Philip K. Dick

http://paranormalinreview2.zohosites.com/home.html

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(10-04-2010, 11:40 PM)scarygirl67 Wrote: WC, if you have a better link to it, by all means go ahead and add it in another post. I know that the article I found was a translation from Italian, and I'm not sure if it was on there in it's best form or not. But it certainly was a well written article, whether I agreed with what was said or not.

The article, or blog, that UNR linked may have had some harsh things to say about Dr. Mack's character, but I also see a lot of facts backing up what is said in that blog, as well as some good common sense logic.

I completely agree that it is a strong possibility we aren't alone in the universe. However, Dr. Mack's writings are subject to the same scrutiny that anyone who puts a controversial theory out there is going to be subject to. What I see are some very interesting and common sense counter-points to Dr. Mack's theories.

Your quite right but the article in question is not a case for Dr Macks overall theories or beliefs/research, merely the article included and the 5 criteria that needs to be included in any neurological/psychological explanation of the phenomena.
I saw no counterpoint or variable explanation on the link provided for the article or 5 points provided.
I'm not saying that the info in the link is not valid. Just saying it doesn't seem to address the issue at hand.

I wasn't suggesting anyone "Believe" anything really. The main point was the inadaquacy of current explanations to account for the whole of the experience and I thought the article was relevant for that purpose.
Heres another link.


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Heres one of a book review of an opponent of Macks views that touches on the psychiatric explanations of the phenomena. Was having a hard time finding a better article that explains it. Basically asserts certain "personality types" rather than actual mental illness, mostly anyway.

Link

I'm not trying to "Push" any idea on anyone or support Macks overall career. Nor Mack at all for that matter. Merely a conversation on the notion that the whole of the Abduction Experience can be explained by neuroscience/psychology. I personally question many of Macks methods. Doesn't mean everything he says is bunk. I tend to agree with the 5 points in the above article as being critical to a thorough explanation.

I'm also NOT suggesting that just because it cant explain it that it must be true that martians are kidnapping people. I've made no such assertion.

I'll try to convey the meaning of my post better from now on but I thought the title was self explanitory. It happens Icontexto-emoticons-07-032x032
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

-Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC)
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#8
Because, people would see it all lies.Been abducted? You are imaging this.No those were just lights.And etc.People are using those false teachings to cover up alien abduction.I even have photos of UFOs.But nobody believes because they think Im crazy beliving in those experiences.I know what I experienced, now although there is evidence,they still don't believe me.Whole family is into this.Sorry,Im frustrated so much, but I will not believe their nonsense.But,you should know that whole scientific community is still searching alien life, while they literally on Earth.
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First time I've run across this post. I'll have to read the link fully later if the link still works.
-DFB

Subject: I have a black cat.
Believer: Black cats are bad luck.
Non-believer: It's just a cat.
Crackpot: Black cats are part of the New World Order government conspiracy.
Skeptic: I can test if black cats are more or less lucky than another cat.
Cynic: You only have a black cat to gain power and prestige.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9iIf4tFoyE

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