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TRUE PAGANISM
#11
(03-16-2009, 10:29 AM)Scáthach Wrote: Sorry to butt in here, but the Threefold Law is a Wiccan thing, and Wicca is the organised religion aspect of paganism. If you join a coven and perform rituals together, that's wiccan. Not all pagans are wiccan. Paganism is not a religion at all, but a spiritual path each of us follows. It may take varying forms, depending on the individual. Pagan is the umbrella term under which many different earth-based "religions" and spiritual paths fall under. These include Wicca, witchcraft, shamanism, Native American beliefs, Druidism and many others.
I wanted to say thanks for that clairifacation...

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#12
So I disagree about whether it's a religion or a path one takes, (even though the dictionary clearly states that paganism is a religion and it clearly states also that religion is not only the worship of one God, but also of gods) but the main point of the thread was to make it clear that Paganism is not Satanism.

OK, moving on...
Forgot to say, posted it under wicca because it is pretty much related and I didn't think it really mattered that much.




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#13
My statement about pagan not being appropriate to Wicca seems to have been blown out of proportion. It is not a big deal. I was only trying to say that paganism is not Wicca - Yeah some pagans are Wiccan but... oh never mind Tongue Grin I was only trying to state my opinion not a rule.

According to my dictionary -
Websters Dictionary Wrote:Pagan - Country dweller: Heathen

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paganism):

Quote:[edit] Pagan
The term pagan is from the Latin paganus, an adjective originally meaning "rural", "rustic" or "of the country." As a noun, paganus was used to mean "country dweller, villager."[6] The semantic development of post-classical Latin paganus in the sense "non-Christian, heathen" is unclear. The dating of this sense is controversial, but the 4th century seems most plausible. An earlier example has been suggested in Tertullian De Corona Militis xi, "Apud hunc [sc. Christum] tam miles est paganus fidelis quam paganus est miles infidelis," but here the word paganus may be interpreted in the sense "civilian" rather than "heathen". There are three main explanations of the development:

(i) The older sense of classical Latin pāgānus is "of the country, rustic" (also as noun). It has been argued that the transferred use reflects the fact that the ancient idolatry lingered on in the rural villages and hamlets after Christianity had been generally accepted in the towns and cities of the Roman Empire; cf. Orosius Histories 1. Prol. "Ex locorum agrestium compitis et pagis pagani vocantur." From its earliest beginnings, Christianity spread much more quickly in major urban areas (like Antioch, Alexandria, Corinth, Rome) than in the countryside (in fact, the early church was almost entirely urban), and soon the word for "country dweller" became synonymous with someone who was "not a Christian," giving rise to the modern meaning of "Pagan." This may, in part, have had to do with the closeness to nature of rural people, who may have been more resistant to the new ideas of Christianity than those who lived in major urban centers and were cut off from the cycles of nature and the forms of spirituality associated with them. However, it may have also resulted from early Christian missionaries focusing their efforts within major population centers (e.g., St. Paul), rather than throughout an expansive, yet sparsely populated, countryside (hence, the Latin term suggesting "uneducated country folk") until a bit later on.
(ii) The more common meaning of classical Latin pāgānus is "civilian, non-militant" (adjective and noun). Christians called themselves mīlitēs, "enrolled soldiers" of Christ, members of his militant church, and applied to non-Christians the term applied by soldiers to all who were "not enrolled in the army".
(iii) The sense "heathen" arose from an interpretation of paganus as denoting a person who was outside a particular group or community, hence "not of the city" or "rural"; cf. Orosius Histories 1. Prol. "ui alieni a civitate dei..pagani vocantur." See C. Mohrmann, Vigiliae Christianae 6 (1952) 9ff.
-- Oxford English Dictionary, (online) 2nd Edition (1989)

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#14
In the Chambers 21st Century Dictionary under Pagan it says: Pagan a) not a Christian, Jew or Muslim b) belonging to or relating to, or following a religion in which a number of gods are worshipped.




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(03-18-2009, 11:57 AM)eyepriestess Wrote: So I disagree about whether it's a religion or a path one takes, (even though the dictionary clearly states that paganism is a religion and it clearly states also that religion is not only the worship of one God, but also of gods) but the main point of the thread was to make it clear that Paganism is not Satanism.

OK, moving on...
Forgot to say, posted it under wicca because it is pretty much related and I didn't think it really mattered that much.
It matters to the one who practices it, its always good to understand the subject so as not to offend...and so there is something to discuss with the person.

God Bless

Cassiel Butterfly
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#16
Yes, I agree totally, someone thought pagans were satanists!

I think you may have missed my post above yours about religion.




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#17
(03-18-2009, 02:08 PM)eyepriestess Wrote: Yes, I agree totally, someone thought pagans were satanists!

Because that's what the Church wanted them to believe.Viking (the viking is so cute I couldn't resist using it.)
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#18
(03-18-2009, 02:43 PM)Scáthach Wrote: Because that's what the Church wanted them to believe.Viking (the viking is so cute I couldn't resist using it.)


That is exactly my point - the Catholic church wanted everyone to believe that if you werent a Catholic you were a pagan and if you were a pagan you were a witch/satanist.

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(03-18-2009, 02:59 PM)CareTaker Wrote:
(03-18-2009, 02:43 PM)Scáthach Wrote: Because that's what the Church wanted them to believe.Viking (the viking is so cute I couldn't resist using it.)


That is exactly my point - the Catholic church wanted everyone to believe that if you werent a Catholic you were a pagan and if you were a pagan you were a witch/satanist.
Yes I agree that is how we believe, but as we have been the dominant religion for hundreds of years and are 1/3 of the total religions, We are correct..I don't see any Pagans meeting with world leaders..or for that even acknowledged anywhere except in para-forums. Catholics on the other hand proliferate and dominate everywhere..Even to some past Presidents..(JFK to be exact) what have Pagans or any other offshoot cults brought to humanity as a whole, Catholics have charities that feed millions..
World leaders..how many turn out for a Pagan ritual? compare that to Easter at the Vatican..You are correct Catholics view Paganism as satanism,
this includes others as well, We are used to our position in the world and are very comfortable with it.
but also know this was established by My Religion hundreds of years ago, not by me just here at this forum.

God Bless

Cassiel Butterfly
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#20
I can hardly believe you even said that Big eyes Catholics are dominant so what they say goes and what they think is the way it is?????

Who cares about truth, those who control the majority of the people can change what the truth is.

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