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Psychic Abilities and Mental Illness
#11
Haunted Lady and Ali Thank you for your posts. I have tried to get people with your abilities to participate before. This helps others understand what you go through.
Belief bias occurs when we make illogical conclusions in order to confirm our preexisting beliefs. Belief perseverance refers to our tendency to maintain a belief even after the evidence we used to form the belief is contradicted.
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#12
thanks unr it makes sence to me
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#13
Even though I am 12, I claim to be pyschic and Yes tha kind of stuff happens to me alot.

I claim because I see spirits,auras,I can sence any presence any where near me,I can see deaths before they happen if I wanted to, and I can really read peopl minds. Hehe. Lol. I say that being psychic has changed my personnality, because when I was younger I was a real girly girl, I hated getting dirty, I hate to be around guys, But when I turned age 11 my personality started to change. I became alwayz depressed, I had barley friends, I changed the way I look, I am more like a boy than anything, I turned emo, and I only hang around guys. I had alot of happieness in me now I am just depressed and I don't give a damn. Lol.


Well Mental illness is something to do with the mind like when something bad happens or something scares the living hell out of you, you will tend to get mental illness. But with psychics you kinda gain the abilitie. So I accually don't have a accurate answer for. Sorry


Well what did you exepct from a freakin' 12 year old. Lmao


-SpiritTalker
All this Paranormal crap Began when I was the age of 6-7. My parents thought I just had an imaginary friends. So they just let me play with the spirit. They later found out that it wasn't a "imaginary" friend because There was a report on a guy and a little girl who past away from my dad's reserve. So they put me with some guy who help me develop on my abilitie. But he didn't know that I was getting more abilities than I wanted. So he quit.

I had no help or seport what so ever. When I reached the age of 9 I started to sense other people around me. at the age of 10-11 I started to see auras and read minds. It freaked me out , but then I started to mess with people. I started to get effected by people's energy around them. Like is they are sad or mad I will just stay quiet and depressed, But if they are happy and all preppy I will be all happy. Lol. At the age of 12 like I am now I can see people's death no matter what they are, Like people from the past or present. So I hate being around people, and don't let people in my little bubble, I hide my feelings so no one will know what my emotions are.


Sorry this goes with the other one.
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#14
SpiritTalker you bring up a good point that I think is worth mentioning here. You mentioned when something scares the living hell out of you, that you will get a mental illness.

Out of the mouths of babes...

This was actually something I touched on in another thread just couple of days ago, about post traumatatic stress disorder. Psychiatrists consider PSD to be a form of mental illness, one brought on in an otherwise physiologically and mentally healthy individual after being subject to or witnessing trauma. We have talked here how psychics see and feel, even predict events which they have no control over.

Here was my response in that previous thread;
(02-22-2010, 08:48 PM)Haunted Lady Wrote: Holding in so much heartache and pain is absolutely self destructive. The thing people don't understand is that as a psychic you witness others trauma...and baby it's like a train wreck in right front of your very own eyes. Just as if it happened in real time right here and now on your own street corner...and seeing it leaves you shaking and in shock...just like witnesses who see traumas in real time do. It doesn't matter if it's psychic vision...the normal, natural human response to witnessing horrific acts psychically has just as much impact. I can't name a sensitive out there who hasn't struggled with post traumatic stress.

When you have this gift...and you stuff it emotionally like everything is hunky dory you become an emotional time bomb.

Witnessing someone's death, and then it happens. Seeing horrific world tragedies, which then come to fruition. Reading people even when you don't want to, knowing their innermost secrets and darkest behaviors...these are things that take their toll and can destroy the mind of someone with psychic gifts. Lack of understanding of these gifts and support or guidance from knowledgeable resources leave a person feeling alone and helpless.

My great aunt Dorothy (we called her Doe) lived her life on Thorazine sedating away visions which traumatized her for years and years. At least annually she would do a vacation in the local psychiatric facility for a couple of weeks. Doctors would adjust and monitor her meds and send her home.

Now Doe passed away years ago, but the one thing I remember as a child was visiting her home. It was a one bedroom apartment, tastefully and carefully decorated and always spotlessly clean. Oddly she set up her bedroom in her dining room...you had to walk through her personal sleeping area from the living room to the kitchen and the back hall where the bedroom and bathroom were located. She kept the one bedroom in the apartment locked. I remember Doe telling me a man lived in there...his name was Glenn. She said he was there when she moved in (she lived there over thirty years) and he deserved to have his own space. Out of respect she set up a sitting area there for 'Glenn' and refused to use that room.

After Doe's death, the family was left to clean out her belongings. A skeleton key opened that room for the first time to any outsiders. There was a settee, an ottoman, end table, chest and mirror. The room like the rest of the apartment was immaculate and dust free. With the exception of a few books, classics like Charles Dickinson, Emily Bronte and Thoreau. On the end table sat silver service with tea and cookies all untouched, as if she was serving a guest that wasn't there.

The family knew Doe to ramble on about shadows and creatures in the night. The last couple years of her life she was convinced the teenaged neighbor boy was a rapist and watching her comings and goings. She was scared to leave her apartment even to check the mail, for fear he would attack her. Today I wonder just how right she might have been.

I know in my heart Doe fell subject to mental ilness, not because of a physical predispostion do so...but because she lacked the understanding of the spirits around her, and the knowledge of people around her that comes with being psychic. She died alone never having even dated, a prisoner in her home fearing what she knew and no one else could ever understand.
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#15
I have fought myself for a couple days now, as to if I should respond to this thread or not. My 1st instinct is to read and enjoy it and to stay in my private bubble.

Haunted Lady you have my admiration and respect for your honesty and courage that you show in each post with such grace. It is from your courage that I am going to do this. You see I shut myself down many years ago because I became overwhelmed with everyone I know constantly wanting me to use my ability for them every time we talked, and having to go out into the real world to seek employment again after my business went under.

I am a psychic. I am clairaudient, clairvoient, empathic/clairsentient. My gifts began as a child. I saw my 1st ghost walk down the hallway and down the steps in the middle of the night around age 7. A full body aperition. A lady in white transparent with a dress that went to the floor. She was dresses in victorian dress. I woke up from a dead sleep to see this sight. My bedroom was the last one in before reaching the steps. I screamed bloody murder for my mom who convinced me it was my imagination.

Years later as a pre teen my dad gave me an old radio for my bedroom. It came with strict rules attached. No radio while I slept, no loud music or it was gone. One night I went off to bed as usual. The radio was off because I had learned it was impossible for me to not fall asleep when it was on at bedtime. I layed there a good while drifting into sleep when a song began to go around and around in my head. I could not stop the thoughts of it. Seemed like it lasted forever. I finally sat up and turned on my radio, checking to see if it was really OFF. It was really OFF, but when I turned it on I realized it was playing the same song I was hearing in my head! I freaked out and turned it off again. Layed down and tried to go back to sleep. The music changed. In my head. Like the 1st tune it went on and on till I turned the radio back on. Again for the 2nd time it was the same tune I was hearing in my head..... The music finally stopped not to long after that and I went to sleep.

Many years went by after that. No big events that I can remember. But, living in my household came with enough drama to bottle into the atom bomb. My mother had mental illness. Back then we were all just told she had nervious breakdowns. She had these breakdowns alot. I was the oldest child so I was more exposed than the other two for many yrs. My mother often targeted me to vent on. There was a great deal of physical abuse and emotional abuse going all the way back to my 1st memory at 3 yrs old. Survival became the top priority for me in childhood. There was no room to hold onto fears of ghosts and unknown music sources. My mother hated me, and generated enough fear to dethrown any boogey man or count dracula. We learned at early ages to help the family hide her illness. We rarely ever had friends over, she was far to unpredictable. If she wasn't lost in her delusions then she was kncoked out sleeping 24/7 from the thorazine and other meds they kept her on. She also underwent at least 2 different sessions of shock therapy. Which left her a zombie everytime she came home. Remembering nothing, not even our names.

So you see I was taught early on how to hide, and how to hide the "dirty laundry" of the family. Never wanting to be compared to her. Never wanting to be mad fun of because of her. Many yrs later I put myself into counseling at a point that I was miserable in my marrage. I finally told someone. Not even my husband knew for the 1st 5 yrs of our marrage. He did not become aware of my mothers problems until it came to a point I had to commit her. At that time more truth came out to him and me. It was not nervious breakdowns my mother experienced, it was paranoid schitzophrena. She would never recover. She was deemed as having it at a 9 on a scale of 1 threw 10. All my hopes that she would one day get better crashed. Flashes of her ripping me from my bed at 6 and up, in the middle of the night to accuse me of having an affair with my father, came back to me. The screaming and beatings in her trying to make me admit it. Her throwing my clothes at me and telling me to get out of her house. And her regularly accusing me of being satan. Isolating me, more beatings, standing over me at night with knives ready to kill me, trying to make me repent and not be satan anymore! I spent most of my childhood and many yrs of my adult life wanting to die. I was in so much pain I felt I was chocking on it. Everyone in my life was abusive, including the man I married. Seems i always became the sounding board. The sacrafical lamb.

I stayed in counseling for 2 yrs. I was diagnoised with Post tramatic stress syndrome. As I got closer to the psycoligist I began to tell her of the things I see, hear and sense. I insisted I be fully tested for my mothers illness or any illness. My counselor did not want to do it, she told me I was completely sane. I forced the issue till she did test me. I wanted it in writing.I never wanted to believe that anything I experienced was a symptom of mental illness, and never wanted to be called any of that unless i was. After yrs of this she told me I was extremely sensitive. I saw her enough that my stories, or predictions had time to come true. She was able to see that I could come in and talk of my sister who resided across the country, thinking about me, what she was thinking and that she would call within x amount of days. And it would happen. She was able to see I could reach out to people and understand them and their problems and put me in charge of a rape/incest group that met every week. Told me I should go back to school for psycoligy. But most of all I got the verification I needed, that I am not nuts, that I do have abilities that others do not have, and that I was finaly safe enough to stop hiding it.

I divorced and began my spiritual journey the minute he moved out of the house. Began to learn to read tarot cards, learned about chakra's, arura's, meditation, angel's, spirit guides, and how to hon in my abilities and make them stronger for me to be able to access whenever I wanted to. I embraced myself, all that was, all that is, and all that will be. The more I learned to love myself, the more abilities came. I began seeing earth bound spirits again. More and more. I read, I spoke to them, I even called and payed other psychics to get their opinion on such things, to teach me. To figure out what it is I am suppose to do with all this. These spirits seem so sad, so lonely what do I do with them? How can I help. That is when I learned about this spirit world, and how to help them find their way back to the creator. As time went on I ran into all kinds. Not all of them are earth bound spirits.

As I began this story, I revealed I have spent several years almost completely shut down. I realized that I am to sensitive and empathic to be out in the workplace and function, while chakra's and senses are wide open. So again for survival sake, and possibly a lesson the creator wanted me to learn, I had only used my abilities for my own protection and personal knowing. Alot has happened over the last 2 yrs that has brought me back to my path. I no longer need to worry about work outside my home as I am now on disability for knee and back injuries. My grown kids are finally starting to settle down and find their way in life. It took my multipule heart attacks 1 yr ago, for them to realize that their BS was killing me. Im no longer the sounding board. And as much as i love them Im not their sacraficial lamb either.

Life is finally good now. I have the peace I have always desperately fought for and sought out. My life and my home is my own. I can get skyclad and as cooky as I want with my crystals and no one around to critisize me. I can spend 8 hours in meditation and clearings if i choose to, and no one whinning to be fed. I am coming back now to what I love and have always loved. I come back with a new wisdom, things I use to practice no longer have realevince. Things like ritual work, are childs play, I now know I do not need $100 in candles and incense to make something happen. That a great deal of the new age beliefs are convient ways for young people to continue to shove responsiblities for their own actions onto others. That no matter how powerful or connected or great we are, we do not have control of everything in this life. Nor are we meant to. Everything is not love & light in this world, nor is it suppose to be. We would not learn from that.

I AM FREE. Finally free, from all the childhod crap and mother crap, the abusive husband crap, the judgments of others crap, the how others think I should live my life crap. I am here, and telling my story because my reality has been many things over the years. My skills and abilities did not make it any less real. But my abilities and skills did make it possible for me to have the courage and strength to hang around long enough to transform one reality to another. Im in the crone stage of my life now. I intend to own it.Signwoot
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#16
That was an amazing and inspirational post, Noell...and thank you so much for stepping out of your bubble and sharing it with us!
“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ~Philip K. Dick

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#17
Noell- Thank you for sharing. I am glad that you trusted us with your story. HL has been inspiration to myself as well.

You are so right, life is not easy. It is one of the hardest roads to travel. After each obstacle, I reflect back on the lessons that were learned. Then it is time to move on with the added knowledge. I believe we are all here to further the development of our souls.

I love your mind set of owning it. Life is so special. You are truly one strong lady. Glad you are a member of the Talk Paranormal family.
People are like stained-glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in their true beauty is revealed only if there is light from within. ~Elisabeth Kübler-Ross
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#18
(02-23-2010, 07:23 AM)UglyNRude Wrote: First let say this isn’t an attack on claimed psychics though some of you will feel it is. I am seeing a pattern and am trying follow up on it.
Is there a fine line between psychic images and mental illness? Do people with a form of a neurological issues have a special ability? Does the issue open doors to this ability? Do people that hear voices and see images walk this fine line between schizophrenia or another disorder and true abilities?

Through out time we see some people will induce an altered state to get answers, shamans, medicine men, some Indian cultures. We see sweat lodges, taking hallucinogens, fasting, and a host of other methods used to see visions. So does this fine line open the door to the future?

The difference between a psychic ability and a mentally ill person is the ability to distinguish which reality they are operating in at any particular time and to consciously and Intent fully make this transition. The ability to move between these places is when you can control your visions and your sanity.

Now this can also be said to those that see Ghosts, Demons, Angels and God. Now I am hoping people will offer opinions on this based on their experiences.

Now what I am looking for is for is people who claim to have these abilities have you ever been diagnosed or treated with any form of a neurological issue. This can be from adhd, to anxiety depression to schizophrenia, lesions, ms, to migraines.

I am curious how many have or haven’t that have these abilities. Is learning to control walking the line the key to this?

The Schizophrenic drowns in the waters the Mystic swims in with delight.

I have times whereby I am not sure what I am experiencing, due to the fact that I get serious atypical migraines. These migraines definitely mess with my neuron connections and 'bust them up.' I appear to be having a stroke during my more serious 'episodes,' and lose my speech, vision, feelings in my hands and my I can't feel parts of my legs and have to look at my feet in order to actually walk, etc - total coordination fubar! Basically, my migraine episodes are nassssssty! (a bonus, sometimes I have all the other symptoms but NO PAIN AT ALL - weird, eh? We're talkin' about migraines here). I sometimes have a 'recovery period' of several days during which a lot of overcompensation on my part has to happen as my neurons straighten out. I have a sheet of tongue-twisters I run around and say to my cat - in order to get my speech back on par, etc., and I do 'brain gym' exercises and look like an idiot for several days LOL. I've learned to basically attribute anything 'strange' to my migraines, but occasionally friends tell me what I 'feel' is more than the 'glitches' (for lack of a better word) of migraine recovery difficulties.

Even when I haven't had a migraine for a while and have no reason to think I am having a migraine, most things that I 'feel,' I attribute to the fact that my neurons go nutty often...I've never, however, 'seen' a shadow, any sort of entity that people would call paranormal, demonic, ghost-like or anything. I 'feel' something like a ghost-pet around me all the time but think this is ridiculous and might just be messed up neurons from all my migraines.

Haha - yes, that last line does, indeed, look as ridiculous as I thought it might if I typed it out here...I only 'confessed' about the ghost thing for the first time last night over with chatters at Ghost-Space lol

Anyway - I am definitely skeptical of myself and will be the last one screaming "GHOST" or anything of the sort when I have strange things happen in my life. That is not to say that I never experience strange things that a lot of people might think are paranormal in nature...I also have an anxiety disorder with symptoms that cause dizziness and numbness and sometimes a change in my auditory and visual senses - though I've never heard voices - that's not part of my set of symptoms...and due to all these things, I attribute most things that are out of the ordinary - to the fact that I have certain medical and emotional/psychological conditions.

I would definitely like it if the scientific, psychology, parascience, paranormal and related communities could figure out some better way to assess the difference between self-derived paranormal things caused by the self and illness - and what can be considered external-paranormal or even internal-catalyst paranormal events. Until then, I will probably always attribute 'weird stuff' in my life to migraines and anxiety.

One thing I will say is - when friends have suggested something psychic or paranormal is going on around me - I feel it - and still attribute it to ME and my messed up neurons - even if it seems very apparent that no anxiety or migraine is going on with my health. I don't think certain things are 'paranormal' and don't treat them as such, either - but my friends swear that I have psychic perceptions. I am often asked by friends to go stand near a particular person and come back and tell whether or not the person was 'safe' to be around and stuff like that. I still don't call that "psychic" because all I think I'm doing at those times is making myself aware of someone else's vibration/energy and nothing more. (Yes, I'm pretty accurate in my assessments - but it's still not really paranormal to me).
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#19
(02-23-2010, 07:23 AM)UglyNRude Wrote: First let say this isn’t an attack on claimed psychics though some of you will feel it is. I am seeing a pattern and am trying follow up on it.
Is there a fine line between psychic images and mental illness? Do people with a form of a neurological issues have a special ability? Does the issue open doors to this ability? Do people that hear voices and see images walk this fine line between schizophrenia or another disorder and true abilities?

Through out time we see some people will induce an altered state to get answers, shamans, medicine men, some Indian cultures. We see sweat lodges, taking hallucinogens, fasting, and a host of other methods used to see visions. So does this fine line open the door to the future?

The difference between a psychic ability and a mentally ill person is the ability to distinguish which reality they are operating in at any particular time and to consciously and Intent fully make this transition. The ability to move between these places is when you can control your visions and your sanity.

Now this can also be said to those that see Ghosts, Demons, Angels and God. Now I am hoping people will offer opinions on this based on their experiences.

Now what I am looking for is for is people who claim to have these abilities have you ever been diagnosed or treated with any form of a neurological issue. This can be from adhd, to anxiety depression to schizophrenia, lesions, ms, to migraines.

I am curious how many have or haven’t that have these abilities. Is learning to control walking the line the key to this?

The Schizophrenic drowns in the waters the Mystic swims in with delight.

Hello everyone. Boy did you hit the nail on the head. i would love to go in detail but I am one of those cases. Thanks
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#20
(02-23-2010, 10:21 AM)Haunted Lady Wrote: First of all UNR I'm not taking this thread personal in any way. Yes, I do call myself psychic, and yet the things you mention I wholeheartedly believe are neccessary to consider whenever someone claims psychic gifting.

As far as my own medical and psychological history I am totally willing to disclose related information. It doesn't bother me in least, nor do I take any offense whatsoever.

I experienced spirit related psychic experiences from a very young age of between four of five years old. I saw, spoke to and had extensive interaction with spirits...those who passed from this life. Several instances occurred, from the little girl ghost I played with at a local historic home during a movie filming (the story is published on TGT) to my 'imaginary' friend whom I was able to locate death records on as an adult. My mother was witness to these and other other interactions like it. It's also significant that through actual research I was able to confirm their previous Earthly existence.

Noteworthy enough at such a young age mental illness rarely if ever comes into question. Without the activity of the pituitary gland which occurs at puberty, the brain does not have need to balance the chemicals seratonin or norepinephrine as they just do not exist in amounts which would cause issue. Later in life medications containing a reuptake inhibitor can be used to balance brain chemistry making bipolar spectrum disorder and schizophrenia manageable, treatable conditions. These medications given to children prior to pituitary activity can cause devastating permanent injury to the production of these hormones, and are not FDA approved for use in very young children for this reason.

Four hours after my son's birth in 1988 I went into seizures followed by a convulsive coma due to full blown eclampsia (old shool knows this condition as toxemia). I nearly died, and woke from my coma after eight days. During the coma I had an 'out of body' experience and walked in the Heavenly (or spirit) realm with the Creator. He shared with me secrets of this life including my life path. I saw not only angels...but the Creator Himself. It was after this I was as well given the gift of discernment. Years after this I went on to work within and with the church in the areas of faith healing and demonology.

The convulsive coma is pertinent however as this was the time I experiences Heavenly beings specifically. While unconscious two separate MRI's (magnetic resonance imaging) were performed to attempt to discover why I did not wake up...the medical staff had no reason for me to continue to remain in a coma. The first MRI just a day after failing to wake showed a brain lesion in the frontal lobe. Recent medical and scientific studies do prove this to be the area of the brain sensitive, resposible for and affected by visions of angels and demons (as well as other mystical creatures). At the time however...my family was questioned about previous head traumas or IV drug use (there had been neither). The second MRI on the seventh day of the coma showed the lesion to be completely gone. I awoke the next day.

The scientific theory suggests my experience was caused by the lesion. I don't share that opinion. My own theory...my out of body, Heavenly experience was medically and scientifically captured on film.

As an adult I felt burdened by my gifts and struggled for years. I sought psychological assistance more than once and begged to be relieved of a condition I could not understand. I went so far as to attempt to convince mental health professionals on a couple of occasions that I must be crazy. If a pill could fix my unexplainable fore-knowledge and empathic pain I was more than willing. I felt like the doctors weren't listening and turned me out to the wolves.

Finally, I sought help through the church. Through intensive pastoral counseling and inner healing prayer I finally had some answers in spiritual gifting. Ironically it was the church that agreed to refer me for extensive psychological testing, not the psychologists or psychiatrist I had first run to! The results of the testing in fact deflated my last hope, I was in fact medically and psychologically sane. I accepted my destiny and gave over to the calling of the Creator that I should persue ministry.

The only time during this forty year history I was indeed diagnosed with depression it was post partum related after my second child. I did not experience this condition with either the first or third children...and it was short lived. I did opt to accept an anti-depressant with the post partum which I was weaned off of within three months.

Significantly, there is a family history of severe clinical depression. My grandmother, mother and aunt spent their lives unsuccessfully attempting to control their illness. Changes in medications and therapy have failed to help them. I as well recognize that at least in the case of my mother (and then with my youngest daughter) they as well have psychic (or spiritual) gifts. Mental illness and psychic gifts are both hereditary and run in families.

For myself I have spent a lifetime learning to control my gifts, and do actively participate in reality! It is a learned skill to focus psychic gifts, use protections and differentiate between the psychic plane and the Earthly plane. It is a conscious act to interact in each area in life differentially.

Is that where I (and now my daughter whom I am teaching) would be different than the family history? Have we with our gifts learned to walk that fine line? Is it possible so many deemed mentally ill are in fact not...yet haven't learned the skills to cope with their gifts?

Just maybe mental illness and/or depression is not the condition with psychic gifts being the symptom. Possibly the psychic gifts are the condition in a large percentage of the population in question, and the depression and related ilnesses are the symptoms of the gifting.

The truth is you can't even begin to understand the burdens of a psychic if you haven't walked in their shoes.

HL,

I first started feeling depressed as a child at the age of 5. There were many things wrong between my parents. I was well aware of how bad my mother was depressed, which in turn depressed me. I often said prayers for her..., it never seemed to help. I never quite connected with my mom, and my father was simply out of reach. I had no reservations about running away from home at the age of 6. I was well aware of the dangers a 6 year old could get into. So that line of thought abruptly ended.

Around the age of 17 I started "knowing" exactly how the near future would happen. It was a surprise to me for a while, and I'd tell anyone that would listen what was going to happen in the next 10 minutes. We'd laugh about it (some of it was funny), and I'd tell some few friends in school and we'd laugh a bit when it happened. I started seeing a bit further into the future, then I could see several months to a year ahead of time, and that was my limit. Some of it was disturbing my sleep. Being awake didn't help much either. I just wanted it to stop. In a short while it finally did.

I'm happy with the outcome. I was already a bit of a freak, and couldn't bear anymore "unusual" abilities.

Thank you for sharing.
Forgiveness is next to deity.
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