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Giving advice on demons
#31
Here is a problem I see lately, while we can tell people to seek medical help which should lead to a battery of tests. People would rather say they have a demon then to be labeled with a neurological issue.
Belief bias occurs when we make illogical conclusions in order to confirm our preexisting beliefs. Belief perseverance refers to our tendency to maintain a belief even after the evidence we used to form the belief is contradicted.
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#32
(01-24-2010, 07:33 PM)UglyNRude Wrote: Here is a problem I see lately, while we can tell people to seek medical help which should lead to a battery of tests. People would rather say they have a demon then to be labeled with a neurological issue.

True. The reality is each case must be dealt with individually. It is all but impossible to tell via an internet forum what is truly going on in an individual's life. Over all, and keep in mind I am new to this forum, the best advice that "I" could muster would be first medical. Second everything else. Much of the time if a disturbed person gets into the system (medical or whatever is needed), they are more likely to run into those who better understand dealing with spiritual problems. This was true in my case. Once in the system, help was there for me. This does not happen for all, but it can and does.

But I agree with you. The stigma of being mentally-ill is still a big problem.
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#33
I've always felt demons attach themselves to people, feeding of their sins and dark emotions. They thrive of our sins and guilt, relishing our suffering and savouring our misery. The more we sin, the greater the demons are nourished and the stronger they become. They will then have a greater hold of us...

Demons can provoke negativity in our live, influencing our decisions, emotions and perspective. They can cause us to be depressed...suicidal even....

But those who live with a pure heart and aspire to be friendly, gracious, compassionate and humble will become more powerful then the demons. The demons will starve on these souls and will eventually abandon them so long as those people don't succumb to sin and unholy temptations.

I know this may seem quixotic... just seem random stereotyped hogwash but the above ideals were something my great aunt felt strongly about prior to her death. She would often claim to have been able to see demons surrounding and shadowing people of a broad spectrum.
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#34
I had to stop back and catch up on the comments on advice on demons. maybe we should have one for Advice for Demons and see what kind of replies we get. Just Kidding. Interesting replies, some with merit, assuming you believe in 'them", others...well...they were interesting. As I have no great insight into the demonic realm and those that dwell there, I would say just leave them alone. They don't like us, never have, never will and bothering them out of fun or to try and see if some spell works, is not really something I'd recommend.
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#35
...kind of like jumping into a venomous snake pit and poking at the snakes until they strike?
The difference being that 'they' are not perceptable to us unless they want to be and we could be alwaye perceptable to 'them': Once poked (provoked) it may not matter if you've already exited the pit or not.
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#36
(01-24-2010, 07:33 PM)UglyNRude Wrote: Here is a problem I see lately, while we can tell people to seek medical help which should lead to a battery of tests. People would rather say they have a demon then to be labeled with a neurological issue.

I agree with UNR
Faeries, come take me out of this dull world,
For I would ride with you upon the wind,
Run on the top of the dishevelled tide,
And dance upon the mountains like a flame.
(William Butler Yeats, "The Land of Heart's Desire," 1894)



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#37
(01-25-2010, 05:28 PM)WitchMom78 Wrote:
(01-24-2010, 07:33 PM)UglyNRude Wrote: Here is a problem I see lately, while we can tell people to seek medical help which should lead to a battery of tests. People would rather say they have a demon then to be labeled with a neurological issue.

I agree with UNR

I don't agree with UNR.

In my experience in ministry people would much rather be crazy than entertain for even a moment the thought that they are dealing with a demon.

Having medical and/or psychological tests for easily managable disorders is a much easier pill to swallow. (No pun intended)
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#38
(01-25-2010, 06:12 PM)Haunted Lady Wrote:
(01-25-2010, 05:28 PM)WitchMom78 Wrote:
(01-24-2010, 07:33 PM)UglyNRude Wrote: Here is a problem I see lately, while we can tell people to seek medical help which should lead to a battery of tests. People would rather say they have a demon then to be labeled with a neurological issue.

I agree with UNR

I don't agree with UNR.

In my experience in ministry people would much rather be crazy than entertain for even a moment the thought that they are dealing with a demon.

Having medical and/or psychological tests for easily managable disorders is a much easier pill to swallow. (No pun intended)

To be honest, I actually agree with both you, HLady, and UNR. I have not known many people who simply blame a specific Demon for odd activities, but have known multitudes who blamed it "on the devil" (a vague concept of outside evil. I have also not known many who blamed their actions on being "crazy," but have known multitudes who blamed their actions on some specific mental issue (Depression, Bipolar, ADD addiction, etc. or whathaveyou.)

Come to think of it, I believe it is (in my experience) far more common for individuals to point out mental or physical problems, because it tends to get sympathy in major portions of american society, whereas if someone claims demonic activity in the general public, they are more likely to think you crazy.

So, in short, it is not clear cut. Trying to avoid being labeled crazy, people avoid the D word. Trying to avoid being labeled crazy, people avoid mental health labels. But which one, now, is more acceptable in our society? I would say mental or physical issues. If there is truly spiritual drama happening, then yes, HLady I believe is correct.

But UNR's point is valid. In reality, both sides must be taken into account.
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#39
I couldn't let it pass that your point is a very good one LB. In this context I certainly agree...it needs to be approached on an individual basis according to the circumstances.
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#40
I love to stop back by and read comments by other members, whether I agree with them or not. some are very interesting and show great insight into the topiic wille are a little out in left fieldd but still worth the timme to check into..As for advvising demons or giving mortals advice on demons, I'll let a qualified demonologist get into that.
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