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Giving advice on demons
#21
(01-06-2010, 12:00 PM)Ali Wrote: Regarding asking questions, quite often the OP is not clear in what they are saying. Why would you not ask them questions for clarification purposes? We are not present in their everyday life. Better to ask questions, then to assume.

I'm not implying we don't ask them questions. I think we should. My points were merely that sometimes they seem panicked and delaying to question them may not be the best thing and also that since we only get interpretation through the "victim" we will almost always get answers that will fit what they believe is happening.
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#22
(01-06-2010, 12:04 PM)Browncoat Wrote:
(01-06-2010, 12:00 PM)Ali Wrote: Regarding asking questions, quite often the OP is not clear in what they are saying. Why would you not ask them questions for clarification purposes? We are not present in their everyday life. Better to ask questions, then to assume.

I'm not implying we don't ask them questions. I think we should. My points were merely that sometimes they seem panicked and delaying to question them may not be the best thing and also that since we only get interpretation through the "victim" we will almost always get answers that will fit what they believe is happening.

I do not see how we would ever be able to get an unbiased answer from a poster. The answer would be based on their perception. If an OP is hesitant in answering a question....move on and not ask anymore.

I believe we can only do so much to help. We can either acknowledge and offer suggestions or ignore the poster. I choose not to do the latter.
People are like stained-glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in their true beauty is revealed only if there is light from within. ~Elisabeth Kübler-Ross
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#23
Ali, I think maybe we're getting wires crossed or I'm not explaining my thoughts properly.

What I mean is that we can not and will never be entirely sure that the person asking for help and/or advice has a demonic haunting. The reasons are that sometimes they are too scared and want answers now and that we can never observe whats going on ourselves (and therefore will not get nonobjective information).

I began this thread (and initially sent a couple of PMs) because I saw people who were newly registered offering quick fix advice to people who obviously seemed afraid. I'd also seen a couple of other threads where someone sought advice and went for the quick fix solution. On at least one of them, it seems to have worked- thank goodness.

I just had to worry about someone seeking genuine advice coming to us only to receive "sketchy" advice from a new source or from someone who the bulk of us have already determined may not be a good source for advice (I won't name names).

If someone is talking about a residual haunting... or an annoying spirit who doesn't cause harm... that wouldn't be a bad situation. However, suspected cases of demonic activity tend to be more dangerous... whether it is an actual demonic haunt or a psychological disorder that has just begun to surface... and can require more care and measured response.

I'm not saying anyone in this thread has done a bad job in responding. I'm just wondering if we should organize some sort of plan for handling these requests. Where are the lines of what we can offer? Can and should we refer them to practicing demonologists? What are our boundaries?
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#24
As far as referring them to anyone, that would be tricky...it would have to be someone that had been checked and double checked, because of all the scam artists out there.

I think it is something that should be approached with caution, and as Ali said...it is helpful to just encourage them to talk about what is happening to them...and tell them that we care. I have seen this work wonders with people who were only thinking they had something demonic...and just hearing from others that they weren't alone was very helpful.

Back to referring someone....that would be better done by those who have had experience in this field...and done through PM. Whoever is doing the referring would have to know the person's area of location...and stuff like that doesn't need to be posted for everyone to see.

I do like to hear that people are thinking about how to handle situations responsibly...and I agree that the members of this forum have done a very good job in caring about what is going on with someone.
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#25
BC- I agree with you whole heartily. I believe we are on the same page. I do not know that there could be a standard, as each posting is different. I wish I could offer a pliable solution. Do not believe there is a clear cut answer.

As far as members adding quirky comments ( I know what you are talking about), all we can do is post and try to turn the situation around. Hopefully, the OP is able to take those posts for what they are. I do not think, nor am I implying that you think we should, remove silly posts. I do not believe in censorship. Each member is entitled to the opinion, however wrong I feel it is. Of course if break a rule, that is different.


(have to be to work in 15 minutes, talk later)
People are like stained-glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in their true beauty is revealed only if there is light from within. ~Elisabeth Kübler-Ross
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#26
Overall I think we have done an excellent job offering suggestions. Yes, Ali I think you are right as well in that the OP's need to go through the responses and sort out the goofy stuff. There are a few off the wall members, nice thing is though...they aren't too hard to spot.

We can't really censor responses, I don't think we can or should try to dictate who should respond either. The fact is this is a forum...filled with people with every background and belief system.

People come here for a myriad of reasons, first and foremost for support. Collectively we have provided all that was intended in this forum and more, the ability to share our experiences, rational explanations, knowledge and suggestions...as well as love and compassion. Something I never expected here...but found.

Also there are those here who do or have worked in the paranormal field who have gone out of their way to refer individuals to the proper people who could assist them. Much of the time it is done behind closed doors through PM's, but I assure you it DOES happen.

Possibly the only real action that should be taken is to monitor more closely those who offer advice which might not be appropriate...and then offer the reasons these things aren't a good idea. We need to make certain also to include supporting articles or documentation in our replies, the same way we do when arguing our own issues. By providing people with more information for them to make informed decisions on their own...we can't go wrong. They as well walk away knowing they made those decisions themselves, something which is empowering. It's a faith builder.
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#27
My advice: Getting rid of a demon is not by any specific words. It is the intention. If someone who has a frail mind speaks those holy words, it will only provoke the demon. If you want, you can even say Banana, just as long as it is meant to get rid of the demon. Demons don't understand any earthly language anyway, so talking to it won't work. Even talking to a demon is about the intention rather than the words. The only thing that works, that I can think of is the Ouija board, but you should not use it. It is widely known the Ouija board can invite the demon to possess you try to communicate with it.
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#28
Demons can be everywhere but do not be afraid...if God is with us who can be against us? Think that we are more powerful than demons! We can crush them underneath of our feet.

Those ghost-like that you have experienced actually they are demons!
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#29
Hello everyone, I am new here, and recently posted my story on this Demon forum. I agree 100% with the main post of this thread. People tend to throw the Demon word around with little to no thought. The term Demon means different things to different people, but generally I assume most use it in the Christian perspective, which, lets be honest, most pastors do not even understand. Having experienced something that closely resembles Demonic Possession, I can only give info from my experiences. The danger comes when those who simply believe throw out haphazard advice without having first experienced and verified that said advice works. That said, having experienced these things myself (It led to mental illness, suicidal ideation and homicide,) there is no harm in relating to or trying to comfort those who are afflicted or those who believe themselves to be.

As I posted in my story thread, first the advice should be to seek medical and mental help. This is, of course, if the symptoms warrant it. Many people are simply depressed, lonely, stressed, etc., and talking about and or believing that some entity is attacking them is a coping mechanism so that issues can be pushed outside. However, when an individual IS TRULY afflicted, as I was, the first tip should always be to seek medical help. Trust me people, this can get dangerous, this can get deadly either for the individual or those around them. If I would have simply listened to the doctors, or if someone would have spoken to me plainly about the need for psychiatric help, everything I did and went through would have been avoided (arguably.) Please, when posting to someone who believes they are afflicted with something demonic, and if it seems needed, help them get medical help. If this does not work, which if it is truly a Demonic instance, then that person will then likely seek spiritual help.
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#30
I feel giving advice on anything "demonic", without knowing the nature of demons, in question, or a specific demon, in particular, is somewhat questionable. Just because some entity is called "demonic" does not necessarily make "it" one.
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