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Safety Concerns With Investigations
#11
(03-11-2010, 01:56 PM)Graveyard Hound Wrote: Just wondering, if "investigators", "ghost hunters" ,etc. should be licensed or certified that would include area of safety, instruments to use, conduct, fees, if any, etc.,just to make it more of a "profession" that other professions require to practice a certain service.

There are already people offering classes so you can become get a ghost hunting certificate. The problem is those offering the courses haven't a clue as to what is paranormal so being certified is actually a laugh. Now there is no proof ghosts exist so how can you license someone to hunt them? People are constantly experimenting with equipment so once again you can't say you have to use the same equipment.

Look at the evidence (or lack of) out there right now. Once again we have poor photography, poor use of a digital recorder, and lack of common sense when it comes to equipment. You can't tell someone they need a flir camera that costs $5000.00 when they aren't even understood and all kinds of false evidence is captured.

So until there is proof ghosts exist, then there can't be licensed or certified ghost hunters.
Belief bias occurs when we make illogical conclusions in order to confirm our preexisting beliefs. Belief perseverance refers to our tendency to maintain a belief even after the evidence we used to form the belief is contradicted.
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#12
(03-11-2010, 01:56 PM)Graveyard Hound Wrote: Just wondering, if "investigators", "ghost hunters" ,etc. should be licensed or certified that would include area of safety, instruments to use, conduct, fees, if any, etc.,just to make it more of a "profession" that other professions require to practice a certain service.

You dont HAVE to have the certification or licensing...it might look better for you to the client if you do but I know many groups that are not licensed...and there is no certificate for investigating, like you said you can be certified in evp work or other side jobs of investigating...I am actually looking into it now... whatever you do dont fall into the hoaxs online...that make you pay boo coo amt of money to get these...most sites online are bogus... I have a friend emailing me the site that is legit where he got his from and if you like i can PM it to you when I get it?
" I am so absorbed in the wonder of the paranormal that I no longer wonder about Heaven and Hell."
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#13
Very good post. I work for public works in my city and we have a motto "saftey has no quitting time"! Keep that in mind!
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#14
I would like to find something like that too. The brain is like the stomach, it needs to be fed!. I don't care if I get a certificate or whatever, but if I can gain knowledge of the paranormal thru some classes, then why wouldn't I? The more educated you are the better. And just because a thoery in a class isn't what you believe, that's kinda the point. The more theories you can reference, maybe one might make sense in your investigation. Learning all sorts of methods and theories only helps the investigator. The "certificate" might be bogus, but is the knowledge?
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#15
You're right, there is a lot of good knowledge to be shared. Many teams offer free courses of study at local libraries or have newsletters with the information. The team I am on (TnT Paranormal Investigations LLC) offers several library courses as well as information in the newsletter. BUT...there are no certificates. There is no charge. It is simply those who have been in the field longer sharing experiences and techniques as well as some understandings of things that can appear paranormal but are not.

The information given in courses on the paranormal is not proven fact...they are theories and ideas. NONE of that should cost money or be "certified"...JMO.

To get this back to the topic of the thread which is safety concerns...I think above all, there is safety in numbers as UNR mentioned earlier, especially in old, abandoned buildings (once permission has been granted to go in at all). Some of the flooring in these old buildings is really dangerous. Falling through a weakened floorboard can cause serious injury, and if you are alone and no one knows you are there..it could be a long time before help arrives.
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#16
(12-09-2010, 01:20 PM)marcopiacenza Wrote: I would like to find something like that too. The brain is like the stomach, it needs to be fed!. I don't care if I get a certificate or whatever, but if I can gain knowledge of the paranormal thru some classes, then why wouldn't I? The more educated you are the better. And just because a thoery in a class isn't what you believe, that's kinda the point. The more theories you can reference, maybe one might make sense in your investigation. Learning all sorts of methods and theories only helps the investigator. The "certificate" might be bogus, but is the knowledge?

I agree knowledge is what everyone needs but not wrong knowledge. Most of these people that offer certificates have pages of garbage presented as evidence. Poor photography, lack of knowledge, orbs, man made sounds mistaken for evp, so if you are going to learn which I do daily don't learn wrong. If you want to learn, take photography classes, take psychology classes, take home inspection, take electrical classes, take audio lessons, study the human mind and what can cause malfunctions both natural and chemical. So learn to move forward not backwards.
Belief bias occurs when we make illogical conclusions in order to confirm our preexisting beliefs. Belief perseverance refers to our tendency to maintain a belief even after the evidence we used to form the belief is contradicted.
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#17
I agree knowledge is what everyone needs but not wrong knowledge. Most of these people that offer certificates have pages of garbage presented as evidence. Poor photography, lack of knowledge, orbs, man made sounds mistaken for evp, so if you are going to learn which I do daily don't learn wrong. If you want to learn, take photography classes, take psychology classes, take home inspection, take electrical classes, take audio lessons, study the human mind and what can cause malfunctions both natural and chemical. So learn to move forward not backwards.
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Your points are excellent. The realm of the paranormal and paranormal investigating are packed with so many different skillsets that any class like that would be a great benifit. I've taken plumbing, electrical, and carpentry classes thru my job and those have helped on ivestgations!! The more you know, the less likely for mistakes, and that all ties right back in with saftey!! Smile (wanted to get back to original topic!!) Lol
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#18
Yes, please stay on topic...I started this thread because there just isn't enough focus on safety in the field. People get too wrapped up in the thrill of the investigation (which is honestly quite boring most of the time), or being on a TV show that they don't wear a respirator while wandering around old buildings.

The fact is TV sets the precendent for most of the investigative teams today. It's sad really.

That's alright though...what's a little asbestos breathed into in the lungs for 12-24 hours as long as you get that awesome video clip?

There should be a mandate for safety in paranormal investigations. I'd love to see a general course covering environmental codes, hazardous materials, and building safety standards required for a team to register as an LLC or Non-Profit entity in a state.

The only way to move away from the nonsensical certifications would be to create requirements for real education.

Unfortunately, we are a long way from where we need to be.
A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything. ~Friedrich Nietzsche

Feel free to tell me what you need and I will tell you how to get by without it. ~Mom

For the believer, both the evidence of science and the failure of science to explain the paranormal is all the proof they need. For the skeptic, no evidence no matter how scientific will ever be proof enough. ~John Zaffis
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#19
Hello I am new here but not to paranormal investigating. This is a very good thread I think anyone just starting should read and consider it my team The Coalfield Spirit Seekers have run into safty issues the upstairs in one house we investigated was infested with bats which cary all sorts of nasty diseases, then downstairs one of our female investigaters was pushed to the floor.
We have also investigated abandoned cemetaries and I tell my investigaters not everything moving is paranormal and to ALWAYS use flashlights when moving around.
We investigate in teams of three one person runs the camera the other two investigate, the team can decide who does what, and there is ALWAYS someone watching the moniters at the comand center with a radio in case there is trouble. We have some new members coming into the group this year we will train them on all our eq. and techinques. safty can not be overstated again great thread
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#20
I agree with Haunted Lady. Many groups do not have safety precautions and should consider a method or Standard of Procedures. Not only for the physical things we see but also the allergens and particles in the air that we breathe when entering an abandoned place for example. There are thousands of air-borne chemicals in places like this that can affect our lungs, blood, and brain. Frequent visits to the doctors office is also a good idea if you are an avid investigator.
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