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Negative Energy? Dream Help
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Hello everyone, 
This is my first post here, but I'm really glad to have found this forum. I will definitely be wanting to stay around.

I also hope this is the correct place to post this situation!

Last Firday night I had only been asleep about half an hour when I dreamt (?) that I woke up and I saw to the left of the foot of my bed a black swirling entity, with a red center. My roommate was asleep next to me (our kitten is being treated for a medical condition and needs doses at 4am (thank you ER vet <3) so she was napping there to help me hold her) and she said that I apparently started screaming and shaking her awake claiming I saw a "spider".

I couldn't sleep for the rest of the night and into the morning, I could feel a shift in energy in the room. Kind of like that feeling of "something just isn't right". It continued to feel like this way past the weekend and all throughout the rest of this week. 

A bit of backstory:
My roommates and I (there are 4 of us) have known each other for a decade. We all have problems with depression, anxiety, and most recently a very significant death for one of us, we'll call her Deb. Deb's father died last June. He was a very depressed man, had gone through a debilitating divorce, and had pretty much "given up". His two children, Deb and her sibling, were never taught how to drive, barely made it through high school, and had no knowledge of his illness at the time of his death. To them it was sudden. When my roommates and I went to help her move out of his house and in with us, the entire house looked depressed, sunken, dark and gloomy. It felt as if this feeling of hopelessness had lingered over them all of their lives.

Almost a year later, Deb has never grieved his death. She is 25, she has a full time job, but she doesn't drive, doesn't go to school, and does not seek any help (therapeutic) for what we can only imagine is the worst time of her life dealing with her father's passing. She receives multiple letters from lawyers and ignores them, concerning the house and other type of affairs of her father. She is angry, constantly, blowing up over the smallest things, complains she's tired all of the time yet says she has trouble sleeping. Her diet is horrible.  Her face is beginning to physically look different to the rest of us, not in a weight sense, but in something different, off. 

The rest of us are afraid to be in her room. Just a feeling of being watched, or something lingering that we cannot see, like it's hiding and waiting, whatever it is. She has complained only once about waking up in the middle of the night and having a "dream" where she saw a black figure by her door. 

I am worried this negativity, especially going untreated, has manifested into something else. Or perhaps it's not and I am looking way too into this. I am a bit sensitive and empathetic. I have also saged our apartment and have lit cleansing candles.

What I saw can best be described as maybe a black sphere of smoke, tendrils or webs? flying everywhere with a red center. 

Should I be concerned of what I saw and what I feel? I have been gently insisting that she seek a therapist, etc, but I cannot make her do something that she does not want to/isn't ready for.

Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciative. Thank you.
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#2
Welcome to the forums   Icontexto-emoticons-03-032x032


I’ll get into the details below but, first, I want to be clear about something.  You should be concerned but most likely not about some kind of demonic entity.  You should be concerned for your friends mental state.  Also to be clear, I’m not an expert on anything, but I have a Bachelor Degree in Psychology and am such a nerd that I also have one in another field of study, as well as a year of Religious Theology, and I read books on these topics for fun.

Okay, now that you’ve stopped reading because I often come off as a pretentious jerk, I will point out that I’m not a professional academic, just a nerd.  Nothing more.  To pay my bills, I manage a sports bar.

First, let’s rule things out.  A gas leak in your house can lead to both depression and a ‘sense’ of being watched (paranoia.)  Since you guys have ample reason to feel depressed, I’m not too worried, but here’s a list of some other warning signs, just to be safe.  If all four of you are consistently experiencing these things, you might want to have someone check for a gas leak.

Nausea, the smell of sulfur or rotten eggs in your home, difficulty or irregular breathing, chest pain.

Now, everything you describe can be explained through simple psychology.  For one thing, depression feeds off depression.  If all four of you have suffered from depression for years… you might want to look into ways to think about the good things in life.  Take some time off and go for a walk in the park.  Reminisce about your shared friendship over the past 10 years.  Heck, start a book club, if that’s your thing, and focus on uplifting books.  I don’t want to sound all ‘self-help’ cult and talk about throwing ‘positive energy out there’ but… while it won’t cure your depression, it might help with the fact that your depressions feed off each other.  Happiness and hope also feed off each other.

The dream thing is perfectly normal.  Dreams reflect our concerns and you describe your friend’s house as ‘dark and gloomy’ and, obviously, are concerned for your friend.  It’s perfectly natural for you to dream about something dark and gloomy.  If you mentioned this dream to your friend, it’s perfectly natural for her do have a similar dream, only with a man in place of a ‘swirling entity’ that looked like a ‘spider.’  If she had her dream first, it makes sense that you might have a similar one.

I’m an insomniac.  I often suffer from depression.  I’m generally a very private person.  Still… if you think it would help you understand, message me and I’ll share a bit.

*Key point:  Your friend might seem to not be grieving but she is.  There are 5-7 stages of grief.  Anger is one of them.  So is denial.  The ignoring of mail that reminds her of her father… the outbursts…  it’s completely normal.  Unless you feel physically threatened by your friend, don’t avoid her.  Be patient and supportive.

Again, I'm not a licensed Psychologist.

Some people on this forum seem to be seeking paranormal explanations.  I try to remind them that paranormal events are extremely rare.  Most people never experience them.  Don’t get me wrong… I’m a believer and there could be an invisible ghost next to me right now making kissy faces… but there is no tangible evidence for any of this paranormal stuff.  Period. 

From a Christian standpoint, if your friend tried to contact her lost father in some unnatural or goofy way… like a séance or Ouija board, she might have attracted some form of demonic being, but these are parlor games and tricks that millions of people engage in every year, so I wouldn’t be concerned.  I would advise against them, particularly in your situation, as demons are drawn to those who are weak… depression weakens us… but it’s still immensely unlikely that a demon is stalking your friend.

It sounds like your friend needs someone to talk to… if not a therapist, there are grief counselors, places of worship, support groups, hotlines.  Sometimes it’s easier to open up to total strangers who you won’t have to look in the eye next day.  And for you?  Work on the positive things.  It's not easy but trust me... I've been there.

I hope this post is of some small help.  My heart goes out to you and your friend and… again, not an expert… but if you have further questions or want to message me…  I’m here.

Icontexto-emoticons-07-032x032 Blue Angel
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(04-19-2019, 10:57 AM)Mika Wrote: Welcome to the forums   Icontexto-emoticons-03-032x032


I’ll get into the details below but, first, I want to be clear about something.  You should be concerned but most likely not about some kind of demonic entity.  You should be concerned for your friends mental state.  Also to be clear, I’m not an expert on anything, but I have a Bachelor Degree in Psychology and am such a nerd that I also have one in another field of study, as well as a year of Religious Theology, and I read books on these topics for fun.

Okay, now that you’ve stopped reading because I often come off as a pretentious jerk, I will point out that I’m not a professional academic, just a nerd.  Nothing more.  To pay my bills, I manage a sports bar.

First, let’s rule things out.  A gas leak in your house can lead to both depression and a ‘sense’ of being watched (paranoia.)  Since you guys have ample reason to feel depressed, I’m not too worried, but here’s a list of some other warning signs, just to be safe.  If all four of you are consistently experiencing these things, you might want to have someone check for a gas leak.

Nausea, the smell of sulfur or rotten eggs in your home, difficulty or irregular breathing, chest pain.

Now, everything you describe can be explained through simple psychology.  For one thing, depression feeds off depression.  If all four of you have suffered from depression for years… you might want to look into ways to think about the good things in life.  Take some time off and go for a walk in the park.  Reminisce about your shared friendship over the past 10 years.  Heck, start a book club, if that’s your thing, and focus on uplifting books.  I don’t want to sound all ‘self-help’ cult and talk about throwing ‘positive energy out there’ but… while it won’t cure your depression, it might help with the fact that your depressions feed off each other.  Happiness and hope also feed off each other.

The dream thing is perfectly normal.  Dreams reflect our concerns and you describe your friend’s house as ‘dark and gloomy’ and, obviously, are concerned for your friend.  It’s perfectly natural for you to dream about something dark and gloomy.  If you mentioned this dream to your friend, it’s perfectly natural for her do have a similar dream, only with a man in place of a ‘swirling entity’ that looked like a ‘spider.’  If she had her dream first, it makes sense that you might have a similar one.

I’m an insomniac.  I often suffer from depression.  I’m generally a very private person.  Still… if you think it would help you understand, message me and I’ll share a bit.

*Key point:  Your friend might seem to not be grieving but she is.  There are 5-7 stages of grief.  Anger is one of them.  So is denial.  The ignoring of mail that reminds her of her father… the outbursts…  it’s completely normal.  Unless you feel physically threatened by your friend, don’t avoid her.  Be patient and supportive.

Again, I'm not a licensed Psychologist.

Some people on this forum seem to be seeking paranormal explanations.  I try to remind them that paranormal events are extremely rare.  Most people never experience them.  Don’t get me wrong… I’m a believer and there could be an invisible ghost next to me right now making kissy faces… but there is no tangible evidence for any of this paranormal stuff.  Period. 

From a Christian standpoint, if your friend tried to contact her lost father in some unnatural or goofy way… like a séance or Ouija board, she might have attracted some form of demonic being, but these are parlor games and tricks that millions of people engage in every year, so I wouldn’t be concerned.  I would advise against them, particularly in your situation, as demons are drawn to those who are weak… depression weakens us… but it’s still immensely unlikely that a demon is stalking your friend.

It sounds like your friend needs someone to talk to… if not a therapist, there are grief counselors, places of worship, support groups, hotlines.  Sometimes it’s easier to open up to total strangers who you won’t have to look in the eye next day.  And for you?  Work on the positive things.  It's not easy but trust me... I've been there.

I hope this post is of some small help.  My heart goes out to you and your friend and… again, not an expert… but if you have further questions or want to message me…  I’m here.

Icontexto-emoticons-07-032x032 Blue Angel

Thank you for the welcome and for your reply.

I wanted to rule out the idea of a gas leak. We live in a (heavily, seriously we get notifications for impromptu checks, etc) maintenance-d  apartment complex. I'm not sure if we would run the risk of that and not immediately know about it? It is possible but I (in my limited experience/knowledge) don't think so. I definitely do not smell anything like sulfur.

I am seeing a therapist and have gently encouraged Deb to do the same. I consider her a little sister, in a way, and a lot of the advice I have received in the past year since her father's passing has for the most part been "love her but don't baby her". I am concerned because I have tried to remain very open, letting her know that at any moment she needs to cry or scream or needs help with understanding something, I will do everything in my power to help.

When I say it felt like something...off? It truly felt like something else, an energy that I cannot recognize, like apart from her normal. I truly try and not jump right towards "oh it's paranormal!" (I usually we even say "someone call Zak! ((in reference to GAC)) when joking about things like that).

I guess I wanted to know what to do in the case that her sadness/depression/whatever it should be called, did end up manifesting into something. I have enough knowledge to know that in some cases (though I understand it to be rare) the negativity can manifest into something else?  

I agree completely that her behavior definitely showcases those stages of grief. I suppose I thought it would mean anger towards him or anger towards something dealing with death/the situation and not towards things that are I guess normal everyday life? To be honest, this is my first brush with death in the sense of the person that passed was as important as the favorite parent of such a close friend.

Again, thank you so much for your reply. I hope I didn't sound as if I was disagreeing, because I do agree!
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No apologies are ever necessary when it comes to responding to posts on our forums, particularly when it comes to me.  When people are seeking answers they need to feel comfortable being honest.  Even if you disagreed with me, that’s totally cools.  You don’t learn anything in life if you only talk to people who already agree with you.

Icontexto-emoticons-07-032x032 


I can get into the ‘negative energy’ thing a bit.  I don’t know what yr religious affiliation might be but in the Judeo-Christian-Islamic sisterhood… demons can be attracted to extreme negative energy but they can’t actually do anything unless someone actively invites them into your life.  The only power a demon has to affect the mortal world is to possess a human and it needs permission to do so.  The spirit world has rules, just like the physical one.

If an ‘evil entity’ is a concern for you… and this carries over to other cultures and religions… make sure it knows it is unwelcome.  Repeat phrases like ‘you are not welcome here,’ either vocally or in your head, when you feel it’s presence.  Do cleansing rituals, like the sage and candle thing.  Get some holy symbols, whether it’s a Crucifix or Khanda or a painting of Gaia and hang them on the walls.  Eventually, it should get the message and move on.

What I would advise against is hiring some ghost banishing ‘professional.’  There’s a whole industry out there making money off fear and grief and anyone claiming to be an ‘expert’ in the paranormal is a total scam artist.  Especially when they ask for money.

*Disclaimer:  I don’t believe in the existence of succubi  or ‘energy vampires’ or Baba Yaga.  Advice on that front would need to come from elsewhere.
 
As to the psychology of anger… your friend is probably angry with her father.  He’s likely the dark figure in her dream.  At the same time, he’s her father.  At least some part of her loves him.  She feels guilt at being so angry at someone she loves.  Random fits of rage are completely normal and it’s completely natural that she would try to channel that anger elsewhere.

*No reason to think she’s possessed.  She’s just grieving, in her own way.

Finally… and this may be awkward…  find some quiet time when nothing else is going on,  look your friend in the eye and tell her ‘you are not alone and you are loved.’  If you feel it necessary, then change the topic to a movie or song or hot boys/girls or whatever, to let her process the sentiment.  That one small moment of intimacy could mean everything to her.

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