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Lucid dreaming and meeting entities
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There's a world of djinns where we can visit during lucid dreaming.  Supposedly these beings show us dreams in their world when you reach a certain level of practice.  

A quote from "The Art of Dreaming"  

Quote:Inorganic beings are long and candlelike but opaque, whereas organic beings are round and by far the brighter. Another noteworthy difference sorcerers have seen, is that the life and consciousness of organic beings is short-lived, because they are made to hurry, whereas the life of inorganic beings is infinitely longer and their consciousness infinitely more calm and deeper. Sorcerers find no problem interacting with them. Inorganic beings possess the crucial ingredient for interaction, consciousness.
- Don Juan Matus 

Anyone experience other worldly realms in their lucid dreams?
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(01-21-2019, 09:25 AM)JohnHermes Wrote: There's a world of djinns where we can visit during lucid dreaming.  Supposedly these beings show us dreams in their world when you reach a certain level of practice.  

A quote from "The Art of Dreaming"  

Quote:Inorganic beings are long and candlelike but opaque, whereas organic beings are round and by far the brighter. Another noteworthy difference sorcerers have seen, is that the life and consciousness of organic beings is short-lived, because they are made to hurry, whereas the life of inorganic beings is infinitely longer and their consciousness infinitely more calm and deeper. Sorcerers find no problem interacting with them. Inorganic beings possess the crucial ingredient for interaction, consciousness.
- Don Juan Matus 

Anyone experience other worldly realms in their lucid dreams?

Yes, there're such worlds out there, and yes, you can enter these worlds in your dream. And for some of them worlds, the rule is, once you've entered, you cannot leave, doesn't matter how good you're with your practice. Thus, dreaming of visiting such worlds is not something that really desirable for those who understand.
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#3
I was under the impression that lucid dreaming is having control over a vivid dream, or just straight up dream. The term lucid (in relation to dreaming) means that you are aware and understand your state of bring asleep and in a dream. I think, what you are saying (MaCan) is something that would be more a problem for astral projecting, and even there, my understanding does not suggest that it is as dangerous as you are claiming.

Recap: Lucid dreaming is not "entering" anywhere. Astral projecting is "entering" but has failsafes in place, which I think greatly lessen the risk.
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(01-26-2019, 01:19 PM)KaelisRa Wrote: I was under the impression that lucid dreaming is having control over a vivid dream, or just straight up dream. The term lucid (in relation to dreaming) means that you are aware and understand your state of bring asleep and in a dream. I think, what you are saying (MaCan) is something that would be more a problem for astral projecting, and even there, my understanding does not suggest that it is as dangerous as you are claiming.

Recap: Lucid dreaming is not "entering" anywhere. Astral projecting is "entering" but has failsafes in place, which I think greatly lessen the risk.

Lucid dreaming has 2 types.  One is your own phantom projections from your own subconscious.  The 2nd is actually entering those "dream realms" astral projection is the next level above the 2nd type of lucid dreaming. The shamans would refer astral projection to the "4th Gate of dreaming" when the dream body is ready to leave the physical realm and enter the astral realm.
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#5
I don't think that either of the things you just listed is "lucid dreaming". Lucid dreaming requires your being aware of your mental state, while in experiencing a dream. When you say "One is your own phantom projections from your own subconscious", that isn't lucid dreaming at all. That is just straight dreaming. When your subconscious projects certain events, characters or visceral feelings, you are experiencing a regular dream/nightmare. When that dream/nightmare becomes so realistic that the experience is closely associated with the physical experience, then that is a vivid dream.
When you are aware that a dream, vivid or otherwise, is just a dream, then you gain control over events and experiences, which then makes it a lucid dream.

The 2nd, being "actually entering those dream realms", then you are no longer dreaming so much as astral projecting. If the "realm" you are projecting yourself to is fictional, then you aren't entering or projecting. It is just a lucid dream.
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#6
Lucid dreaming means you're aware that you're in a dream at it's core basic definition, that you can't deny. Just because you're aware you're dreaming that doesn't mean you're not in dream projection from your own subconsciousness, that makes no logical sense.  Last night I became lucid while and during a "normal" dream, that just proves it.  I'm sure others attest to this too.

A dream in which the dreamer is aware that he or she is dreaming and can sometimes influence the course of the dream
Collins English Dictionary. Copyright © HarperCollins Publishers
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(02-01-2019, 07:19 AM)JohnHermes Wrote: Just because you're aware you're dreaming that doesn't mean you're not in dream projection from your own subconsciousness, that makes no logical sense.  Last night I became lucid while and during a "normal" dream, that just proves it. 

A dream in which the dreamer is aware that he or she is dreaming and can sometimes influence the course of the dream
Collins English Dictionary. Copyright © HarperCollins Publishers

But that's exactly what I said hahaha.
I'm saying that a dream is a projection of your own subconscious, and being aware of the mental state of dreaming grants you control over the path, narrative, events, and personal actions that occur within that dream. That is literally what I just said in my last post.

My point of contention is where you believe that sole projection of the subconscious is lucid dreaming (it isn't, unless you have that awareness). My second point of contention is that becoming aware of your mental state within a dream actually enters you into a "dream realm" that exists. That is what doesn't logically follow. A dream is fiction. Just inventing a world, while you sleep, doesn't mean you create that world and people can now physically join you in it. Come now...
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lolol good stuff !
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