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Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?
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Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?
 
https://www.google.ca/search?source=hp&ei=wRyUWquFHcm4tQXV74XQBw&q=fraud+laws&oq=fraud+laws&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l10.1003.11584.0.15863.10.10.0.0.0.0.114.1040.3j7.10.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.10.1037...0i131k1.0.nCgTyqsYAOA
 
Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.
 
Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.
 
Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.
 
Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.
 
I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.
 
Do you?
 
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DL
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Yes and no, Gnostic. Yes, in the sense of how many "churches" have recently begun popping up, merely for the purpose of swindling people out of their money. It isn't that the government is knowingly choosing to remain out of the business of arresting these people. It IS illegal. People do get arrested, it is just harder than you think to prosecute somebody on this basis.

Everyone has the right to their religion, and if the person getting swindled is so far convinced that what they are doing is going to help them, then the case cannot continue. That is considered an act of their own volition. It is fraudulent to claim that money will help God cure you, however it is a slippery slope to then say that all religion is baseless and thus fraudulent, therefore collection plates at local churches ought to be seized.

By and large, those collection places are put to great use within a community. So, we have to be careful of what we crack down hard on, before a witch-hunt ends up hurting the people that we are trying to help.
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(02-26-2018, 12:02 PM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

The answer is no. That would violate our freedom of rights.
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Short answer and long answer, no.
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Absolutely not, unless said "church" is doing something like taking money to "heal" someone and not healing them, or some other fraudulent practice. It's a slippery slope. We're free to believe what we want, but not free to act anyway we want.
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Subject: I have a black cat.
Believer: Black cats are bad luck.
Non-believer: It's just a cat.
Crackpot: Black cats are part of the New World Order government conspiracy.
Skeptic: I can test if black cats are more or less lucky than another cat.
Cynic: You only have a black cat to gain power and prestige.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9iIf4tFoyE

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(02-26-2018, 12:21 PM)KaelisRa Wrote: Yes and no, Gnostic. Yes, in the sense of how many "churches" have recently begun popping up, merely for the purpose of swindling people out of their money. It isn't that the government is knowingly choosing to remain out of the business of arresting these people. It IS illegal. People do get arrested, it is just harder than you think to prosecute somebody on this basis.

Everyone has the right to their religion, and if the person getting swindled is so far convinced that what they are doing is going to help them, then the case cannot continue. That is considered an act of their own volition. It is fraudulent to claim that money will help God cure you, however it is a slippery slope to then say that all religion is baseless and thus fraudulent, therefore collection plates at local churches ought to be seized.

By and large, those collection places are put to great use within a community. So, we have to be careful of what we crack down hard on, before a witch-hunt ends up hurting the people that we are trying to help.

Good reply.

Lies are a slippery slope as well, and religious lies have led to homophobia and misogyny and slowed our evolution to civilization and equality and the more people we allow to believe what are obviously lies, the less we all follow the Golden Rule.

We should be showing our disrespect for fraudsters and if we do not, we in effect help them fleece our most vulnerable and gullible.

[video=dailymotion]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsoC10TFCy4[/video]

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DL
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(02-26-2018, 02:22 PM)Vultyrex Wrote:
(02-26-2018, 12:02 PM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

The answer is no. That would violate our freedom of rights.

Which freedom of right?

The right for fraudsters to lie and to fleece the most vulnerable and gullible like the ones shown in the clip above?

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DL
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(02-26-2018, 02:45 PM)Chevleia Wrote: Short answer and long answer, no.

Do you like being lied to?

And if not, then why would you not apply the Golden Rule to others?

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DL
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(02-27-2018, 10:45 AM)Darkforeboding Wrote: Absolutely not, unless said "church" is doing something like taking money to "heal" someone and not healing them, or some other fraudulent practice.  It's a slippery slope.  We're free to believe what we want, but not free to act anyway we want.

Beliefs translate into actions and the beliefs propagated by religions have led to homophobic and misogynous people who have denied many equality by discrimination without a just cause.

Beliefs that Hitler created in his people led to genocide. Right?

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DL
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(02-27-2018, 11:22 AM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote: Beliefs translate into actions and the beliefs propagated by religions have led to homophobic and misogynous people who have denied many equality by discrimination without a just cause.

Beliefs that Hitler created in his people led to genocide. Right?

Regards
DL

You see, this is where we diverge. I'm all for regulating fraudulent companies that look to take advantage of people, but religion is considered a truth for many people, and real religion doesn't ask for payment. Donations are handled by means of a collection plate that a person can put as much as they can or want into.

There are many non-religious ideologies that have a direct hand at propagating homophobia and misogyny. Mika actually linked you to a bunch of churches that do not facilitate those concepts at all. So, you can't pin an entire religious experience as what is at fault here. In reality, it's just humanity that causes these things.
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