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Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?
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(02-27-2018, 05:13 PM)Vultyrex Wrote:
(02-27-2018, 11:15 AM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote:
(02-26-2018, 02:22 PM)Vultyrex Wrote:
(02-26-2018, 12:02 PM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

The answer is no. That would violate our freedom of rights.

Which freedom of right?

The right for fraudsters to lie and to fleece the most vulnerable and gullible like the ones shown in the clip above?

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DL

The first amendment that allows the freedom to choose whatever religion you desire. You are even free to not choose one if you don't wish to follow any. So, to regulate even fraudulent religions would be considered unconstitutional and will not happen.

Yet your government legislated against a polygamous religion and their beliefs which created the actions and that weird Baptist group, whose name I have forgotten, which wanted to picket graveyards where soldiers were being buried.

If you constitution will allow open and flagrant fraud, it just confirms my view that it is a really poorly written document. All the amendments is a good indicator that I am correct.

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DL
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#22
(02-28-2018, 01:48 AM)Vultyrex Wrote: Greed is a terrible thing. Especially when they know when and who to target.

Especially when parent collude in providing new fodder for the thieves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac

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DL
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#23
(02-28-2018, 05:29 PM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote: True, and the vast majority of humanity claim to be religious, hence the source of homophobia and misogyny.

As to your collection plate.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=668D_MeV1nY

That was the past and at present, many religions put a % of income out there for their adherents.

Religions may be considered to be truthful, but since they all claim to represent the one true God, most of them are obviously lying as far as all the others are concerned. That is why religions are the primary source and cause of war.

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DL

"the vast majority of humanity claim to be religious, hence the source of homophobia and misogyny." That is a logically, and factually incorrect statement.

The argument would play out as:

P1) Humanity is largely homophobic and misogynistic.
P2) The vast majority of humanity claim to be religious.
C) Therefore, religion is the source of homophobia and misogyny.

There is a problem with P1, because there is no evidence to support the notion that humanity is mostly homophobic or misogynistic. That would be a massive undertaking, and go against current societal values, which are an average of the populous. 

With P1 being in question, trying to link the negative concepts to religion isn't possible. Futhermore, the conclusion doesn't logically follow from the premises, as there is still enough room for any number of things to cause homophobia and misogyny. Evolution could still be the cause. Culture could be the dominant factor. The argument makes no sense.

As to the video that was supposed to illuminate the collection plate issue, it was completely irrelevant to the case. Selling pardons and sending a plate around for optional donations are two different things. Fundamentally different. One can be considered coercion, the other is simply a request.

Lying requires knowledge of the truth, and the intent to mislead people away from the truth. The fact that there are thousands of different religions out there, and all of them claim to posit the "one true god", isn't a testament to the "fact" that most/all of them are lying. It isn't even showing that any lie. All it shows is that each religion has potentially a genuine belief in what they posit. If one wants to believe the others are lying, then that is obviously a religion to stay away from.

As the primary source/cause of war, religion has had its heyday. As of recent, it isn't religion that causes strife. It's the polarization of societal norms, caused by difference in opinion and a lack of tolerance.
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(02-28-2018, 05:54 PM)KaelisRa Wrote: There is a problem with P1, because there is no evidence to support the notion that humanity is mostly homophobic or misogynistic. That would be a massive undertaking, and go against current societal values, which are an average of the populous. 

You might have a hard time proving the religious source of the misogyny, but few of the intelligentsia have your problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqN8EYII...re=related

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DL
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(03-12-2018, 03:19 PM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote:
(02-28-2018, 05:54 PM)KaelisRa Wrote: There is a problem with P1, because there is no evidence to support the notion that humanity is mostly homophobic or misogynistic. That would be a massive undertaking, and go against current societal values, which are an average of the populous. 

You might have a hard time proving the religious source of the misogyny, but few of the intelligentsia have your problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqN8EYII...re=related

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DL

So you link a video of some guy's interpretation of the hatred of woman in a collection of books written by a bunch of people following a statement about us having a hard time proving anything. All your doing is proving you hate women. We get it but that doesn't mean the religion is a fraud.
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#26
(03-12-2018, 04:20 PM)Vultyrex Wrote:
(03-12-2018, 03:19 PM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote:
(02-28-2018, 05:54 PM)KaelisRa Wrote: There is a problem with P1, because there is no evidence to support the notion that humanity is mostly homophobic or misogynistic. That would be a massive undertaking, and go against current societal values, which are an average of the populous. 

You might have a hard time proving the religious source of the misogyny, but few of the intelligentsia have your problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqN8EYII...re=related

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DL

So you link a video of some guy's interpretation of the hatred of woman in a collection of books written by a bunch of people following a statement about us having a hard time proving anything. All your doing is proving you hate women. We get it but that doesn't mean the religion is a fraud.

I often promote the feminist movement but go ahead and lie about me. It suits your mentality.

True that that does not make Christianity a fraud.

All their constant lying does though.

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DL
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#27
It might, if you can prove that all Christian churches are actually lying. Hell, if you can prove that even the majority constantly lie, you'd be better off than you are now. But there is no dependable way to verify that.
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(03-13-2018, 10:40 AM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote:
(03-12-2018, 04:20 PM)Vultyrex Wrote:
(03-12-2018, 03:19 PM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote:
(02-28-2018, 05:54 PM)KaelisRa Wrote: There is a problem with P1, because there is no evidence to support the notion that humanity is mostly homophobic or misogynistic. That would be a massive undertaking, and go against current societal values, which are an average of the populous. 

You might have a hard time proving the religious source of the misogyny, but few of the intelligentsia have your problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqN8EYII...re=related

Regards
DL

So you link a video of some guy's interpretation of the hatred of woman in a collection of books written by a bunch of people following a statement about us having a hard time proving anything. All your doing is proving you hate women. We get it but that doesn't mean the religion is a fraud.

I often promote the feminist movement but go ahead and lie about me. It suits your mentality.

True that that does not make Christianity a fraud.

All their constant lying does though.

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DL

Such ignorance.
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