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Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?
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(02-27-2018, 11:15 AM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote:
(02-26-2018, 02:22 PM)Vultyrex Wrote:
(02-26-2018, 12:02 PM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote: Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

The answer is no. That would violate our freedom of rights.

Which freedom of right?

The right for fraudsters to lie and to fleece the most vulnerable and gullible like the ones shown in the clip above?

Regards
DL

The first amendment that allows the freedom to choose whatever religion you desire. You are even free to not choose one if you don't wish to follow any. So, to regulate even fraudulent religions would be considered unconstitutional and will not happen.
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#12
Except they already have regulations on religions, specifically fraudulent religions. You can definitely charge an institution for fraud. The problem is being able to verify it, without help from the victims. Again, if the people being taken advantage of believe that it will help, and willingly give the money, there is nothing they can do about it. The laws and regulations are there, it's the unreasonable person that gets taken advantage of, who undermines the entire system.
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#13
What regulations?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

That's a direct line from the amendment.
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#14
Yes, but there-in lies the problem. The regulations govern fraudulent entities. Meaning that they have to prove that the entity itself is not a religious institution. However, that's easier said than done, especially if the people partaking in the scam are true believers in the power of God, and willing to shell out the money. Legally, there is nothing that can be done, in those cases. But if it can be proven that the fraud is taking place, there are regulations that would otherwise apply.
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#15
The intent to fraud through whatever means is illegal regardless. You still have common law to follow no matter what institution, social group, or church one is in. I am simply stating that the government cannot govern since it cannot make rules (laws to enforce). It's not hard to understand this if you take it the focal point of fraudulent religion and look at fraud by itself. Seems like agenda-based cotton picking.
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#16
It is definitely agenda-based cotton picking. It comes down to prosecuting only the cases they are sure they can reap a benefit from. In part, it is because of how difficult it is to successfully pin a crime to these organizations. However, the other part is, yes you're right, their inability to pass legislation that directly addresses the issue of religious fraudulence.
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#17
So this thread's point is moot.
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#18
We essentially all get to the same answer, different ways. Regardless, it has left a bad taste in my mouth. Moreso with how helpless the law can be, rather than the fact that there are people out there willing to take advantage of vulnerable individuals...
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#19
Greed is a terrible thing. Especially when they know when and who to target.
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(02-27-2018, 12:05 PM)KaelisRa Wrote:
(02-27-2018, 11:22 AM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote: Beliefs translate into actions and the beliefs propagated by religions have led to homophobic and misogynous people who have denied many equality by discrimination without a just cause.

Beliefs that Hitler created in his people led to genocide. Right?

Regards
DL

You see, this is where we diverge. I'm all for regulating fraudulent companies that look to take advantage of people, but religion is considered a truth for many people, and real religion doesn't ask for payment. Donations are handled by means of a collection plate that a person can put as much as they can or want into.

There are many non-religious ideologies that have a direct hand at propagating homophobia and misogyny. Mika actually linked you to a bunch of churches that do not facilitate those concepts at all. So, you can't pin an entire religious experience as what is at fault here. In reality, it's just humanity that causes these things.

True, and the vast majority of humanity claim to be religious, hence the source of homophobia and misogyny.

As to your collection plate.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=668D_MeV1nY

That was the past and at present, many religions put a % of income out there for their adherents.

Religions may be considered to be truthful, but since they all claim to represent the one true God, most of them are obviously lying as far as all the others are concerned. That is why religions are the primary source and cause of war.

Regards
DL
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