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Religion vs Spirituality
Yeah, they're about as fear-mongering as the general media, at this point. Hahaha
I don't follow organized religion either. Yet the framework for a lot of our thinking and morality is still from the torah.
(01-30-2018, 07:48 PM)KaelisRa Wrote: Yeah, they're about as fear-mongering as the general media, at this point. Hahaha

The flipping truth.
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Spirituality Triumphs, Religion mainly revolves around the early perception of reality and deceptions of our lesser evolved consciousness of the past, Religions Like to Divide and control aswell as promote hedonistic values such as obedience to higher entities with eternal suffering to those who reject these illogical claims. Throughout History these Abrahamic religions have genocided millions of our fellow humans for the hedonistic benefit of the corrupt men who lead them. Gnosticism and Partially Buddhism are the only truly logical and moral forms of religion if you want to call them religions, They promote the development of Awareness and free will and that we can block out the corrupting material world and access the spiritual world free of corruption and negativity. Altered States Of Consciousness are a fundamental and Divine function of all existence and may lead us to being aware of other planes of existence and the Truth. Most formats of spirituality and occult science are denounced as demonic and evil by mainstream religions which is contradictory as these religions are structured upon immoral hedonistic and controlling values and have been exploited and altered at the hands of corrupt men and their desires since their Genesis. Spirituality enables true happiness, awareness and open mindfulness
You seem to have drank the Gnostic kool-aid, my friend. Lost forever lol
I like spirituality over religion. Being connected to the universe sounds far better than concentrating on devoting my life to some supreme being + all the complicated rules it entails. Being a spiritual person is very different from person to person and that's what I like the most. It all depends on how you view your connection with your surroundings.
 The woods are lovely, dark, and deep but I have promises to keep and miles to go before I sleep. 
~*~*~Psych Butterfly~*~*~

"Dr. Froylan Alvarado Guemez Pierre Teilhard de Chardin of the Jesuit order.
Born in Orcines, on May 1, 1881 and died in New York on April 10, 1995. It was the French theologian, philosopher & paleontologist who built an integrated vision of science and mysticism with his thought; of the evolution of spirit and thought.
▪ Religion is not just one, there are hundreds.
▪ Spirituality is one.
▪ Religion is for those who sleep.
▪ Spirituality is for those who are awake.
▪ Religion is for those who need someone to tell them what to do and want to be guided.
▪ Spirituality is for those who pay attention to their inner voice.
▪ Religion has a set of dogmatic rules.
▪ Spirituality invites us to reason about everything, to question everything.
▪ Religion threatens and frightens.
▪ Spirituality gives inner peace.
▪ Religion speaks of sin and guilt.
▪ Spirituality says, "learn from error".
▪ Religion represses everything and in some cases it is false.
▪ Spirituality transcends everything, it brings you closer to your truth!
▪ Religion speaks of a god; It is not God.
▪ Spirituality is everything and, therefore, it is in God.
▪ Religion invents.
▪Spirituality finds.
▪ Religion does not tolerate any question.
▪Spirituality questions everything.
▪ Religion is human, it is an organization with men's rules.
▪ Spirituality is Divine, without human rules.
▪ Religion is the cause of divisions.
▪The spirituality unites.
▪ Religion is looking for you to believe.
▪ Spirituality you have to look for it to believe.
▪ Religion follows the precepts of a sacred book.
▪ Spirituality seeks the sacred in all books.
▪ Religion feeds on fear.
▪ Spirituality feeds on trust and faith.
▪ Religion lives in thought.
▪ Spirituality lives in Consciousness.
▪ Religion deals with doing.
▪ Spirituality has to do with the Self.
▪ Religion feeds the ego.
▪ Spirituality drives to transcend.
▪ Religion makes us renounce the world to follow a god.
▪ Spirituality makes us live in God, without renouncing us.
▪ Religion is a cult.
▪ Spirituality is meditation.
▪ Religion fills us with dreams of glory in paradise.
▪ Spirituality makes us live the glory and paradise here and now.
▪ Religion lives in the past and in the future.
▪ Spirituality lives in the present.
▪ Religion creates cloisters in our memory.
▪ Spirituality liberates our Consciousness.
▪ Religion makes us believe in eternal life.
▪ Spirituality makes us aware of Eternal Life.
▪ Religion promises life after death.
▪ Spirituality is to find God in our interior during life and death.
-We are not human beings who go through a spiritual experience.-
-We are spiritual beings that we go through a human experience.-"

We all born to choose. Its either slave or freedom
I've definitely read some of his stuff before, in my studies. There's a lot on that list that I like, but a lot on that list that isn't completely right. Most of them tend to arise closer to the bottom. For instance, "We are not human beings who go through a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings that go through a human experience." I don't completely agree with that. Especially in this day and age, it becomes a decision to choose to go through life spiritually, scientifically, religiously, etc. Our natural state is human. We live out our humanity, regardless of what we choose for the former. Thus, we are human beings first, who choose the type of experience we wish to go through.

The purpose of the question I posed was to determine whether or not spirituality and religion had a difference, and which everyone would prefer. The good Froylan there gave a pretty thorough list, and makes it clear which type of life you prefer to follow. I would agree with you on spirituality being superior, but it's not for everybody. It's for those that have the means with which to make their way in the world. Religion is for a different class of people, and no no less necessary than anything else out there that can help the masses.

Thus, when he says things like "Religion feeds the ego", not all of the churches teach that at all. Buddhism is a religion, and aims to remove the ego from the equation. You can even find some good Christian churches that teach a habit of being humble.

"Religion is a cult" isn't quite right either. While, most religions were once cults, cults and churches are man-made labels used to classify the level of devotees to the cause. Religions aren't cults, and that is a truth.

That he believes that "spirituality lives in the present" is also wrong. Effective spirituality is an outlook on life and then consciously measured behaviour. That means that spirituality must live in the past and the future as well, and the spiritualist ought to behave properly and consistently for each of those as well. If you end up looking toward your own future, do so from a strong logical and self-illuminated stand-point. If you peer into the past, do so in a manner that can teach you how to behave better and what not to do. Your ancestors may have died for your freedom to follow a spiritual life (if you choose), learn from them.

See what I mean? A big part of being spiritual is not finding what people feed your beliefs, or who makes the most sense and following what they say. Being spiritual is sitting down and applying your own reason to the wisdom, and developing your capacity for better reason. After you deconstruct that wisdom, you can apply it to your life, as sort of a trial test. if there are elements that work, you keep those. Then, you take the elements that don't and try to find another bit of wisdom that somebody has passed on, to better address what failed. Then you go through the logical motions again, you apply to your life and rinse and repeat.

Selfish egoists can be spiritual. Universalists and people who believe they are one with the cosmos can be spiritual. All of these can also not be spiritual. Spirituality is your disposition toward life. Smile Good conversation!

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