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From devout Christian to not professing a creed
11-04-2017, 11:18 PM
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From devout Christian to not professing a creed
I have been a very devoted Christian for over 20 years and have been a studier of the Bible and the Christian faith in it's numerous theological branches. I have authored some books and created websites that provide Bible study resources. Over the years, after holding strong views as a Southern Baptist, Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox, I have reached a point where I no longer profess any creed but only profess a lack of knowing what is the perfect ticket to Heaven. The only thing I can really profess is that I believe in God and that He wants to be a part of our lives and He wants us to be good. I no longer think that our salvation is based on believing one formula or one creed. Under most Christian doctrines, only a percentage of human existence would go to heaven and most would burn in hell. That makes no sense to me why God would create man and by His design He would condemn most to eternal damnation. I am not saying I know what is right, but all I can come up with is that I am uncertain about many things, and I am satisfied with it being a mystery until I cross over to the next life. I believe in God with certainty, and I believe in the power of prayer, I have experienced enough to be fully convinced. But the Bible and all the many doctrines of Christianity is riddled with human preservation, and my faith in human perfection is lacking. I think Christianity is a wonderful spiritual discipline to live a healthy spiritual life, and I think God is pleased with so many wonderful people who live the faith, but I am not convinced anymore that everyone who fails to profess one of the many Christian formulas of salvation is going to hell. Too many good people have lived good lives that I cannot imagine a just God would judge them by what formula they believe and not by their heart.
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11-05-2017, 05:25 AM
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RE: From devout Christian to not professing a creed
I agree with you. I am also a theist but of no religious persuasion. I have studied wtihin other religions, e.g., Sufi and Buddhist and yoga/ Hindus and Shamanism/Wicca.

I also agree with you that God wants us to be good. I would go so far as to say that being good is the highest spiritual practice. That means listening to our conscience and trying always to keep a clean conscience by acknowledging any wrong doing, having remorse and a change of heart and eagerly making amends where possible. Maintaining a good conscience and following one's conscience (the moral compass) one maintains the highest state of consciousness/ awakening.

It means we are conscious of others and acknowledge their suffering as to help in which ever way we can. This leads to greater and greater awakening, which is by God's Grace. One Sufi poet (Maghribi) once said
"No one by himself, can find the Path to Him.
Whoever goes to His street, goes with His feet."

I believe that the people, who end up in hell (eternal oblivion) are those who deaden their conscience so that they are not conscious of others around them and thus do whatever harm for selfish reasons.

I am not a Christian because I believe that Jesus is an avatar of God, a prophet but not God. And I don't agree that his crucifixion was a sacrifice for our salvation.Jesus was crucified for sedition, for standing against the Roman and the Roman tyranny.

If that was true then Jesus died for our sins, then he didn't need to give any teachings, but he did. He shone a light on the path of Righteousness. To me this shows that spiritual practice is about being good. That is the way to Heaven and it doesn't matter what religion you belong to, or even if you are an atheist.
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11-05-2017, 10:34 AM
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RE: From devout Christian to not professing a creed
(11-05-2017 05:25 AM)Kyrani99 Wrote:  I agree with you. I am also a theist but of no religious persuasion. I have studied wtihin other religions, e.g., Sufi and Buddhist and yoga/ Hindus and Shamanism/Wicca.

I also agree with you that God wants us to be good. I would go so far as to say that being good is the highest spiritual practice. That means listening to our conscience and trying always to keep a clean conscience by acknowledging any wrong doing, having remorse and a change of heart and eagerly making amends where possible. Maintaining a good conscience and following one's conscience (the moral compass) one maintains the highest state of consciousness/ awakening.

It means we are conscious of others and acknowledge their suffering as to help in which ever way we can. This leads to greater and greater awakening, which is by God's Grace. One Sufi poet (Maghribi) once said
"No one by himself, can find the Path to Him.
Whoever goes to His street, goes with His feet."

I believe that the people, who end up in hell (eternal oblivion) are those who deaden their conscience so that they are not conscious of others around them and thus do whatever harm for selfish reasons.

I am not a Christian because I believe that Jesus is an avatar of God, a prophet but not God. And I don't agree that his crucifixion was a sacrifice for our salvation.Jesus was crucified for sedition, for standing against the Roman and the Roman tyranny.

If that was true then Jesus died for our sins, then he didn't need to give any teachings, but he did. He shone a light on the path of Righteousness. To me this shows that spiritual practice is about being good. That is the way to Heaven and it doesn't matter what religion you belong to, or even if you are an atheist.

Nice reply, good stuff.
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