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God is imaginary
07-31-2017, 09:04 AM
Post: #1
God is imaginary
God has never left any physical evidence of his existence on earth.

None of Jesus' "miracles" left any physical evidence either.

God has never spoken to modern man, for example by taking over all the television stations and broadcasting a rational message to everyone.

The resurrected Jesus has never appeared to anyone.

The Bible we have is provably incorrect and is obviously the work of primitive men rather than God.

When we analyze prayer with statistics, we find no evidence that God is "answering prayers."

Huge, amazing atrocities like the Holocaust and AIDS occur without any response from God.

Let's agree that there is no empirical evidence showing that God exists. And there should be evidence - for example, this page describes a method that should produce incontrovertible evidence of God's existence. See also this page.

Many of God's supposed attributes should create evidence. For example, the Bible says that God answers prayers. But we know that the belief in prayer is a superstition. The lack of evidence seen in the prayer realm acts as evidence that God is imaginary. So absence of evidence can be evidence of absence, because it shows that God is not doing things he has promised to do.

If you think about it as a rational person, this lack of evidence is startling. There is not one bit of empirical evidence indicating that today's "God", nor any other contemporary god, nor any god of the past, exists. In addition we know that:

If we had scientific proof of God's existence, we would talk about the "science of God" rather than "faith in God".

If we had scientific proof of God's existence, the study of God would be a scientific endeavor rather than a theological one.

If we had scientific proof of God's existence, all religious people would be aligning on the God that had been scientifically proven to exist. Instead there are thousands of gods and religions.

The reason for this lack of evidence is easy for any unbiased observer to see. The reason why there is no empirical evidence for God is because God is imaginary.
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07-31-2017, 09:25 AM
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RE: God is imaginary
One of the most powerful political movements in the world, Christianity. was founded 2000 years ago by 12 people, at least 7 of whom were fishermen, so far from well educated. Personally I would describe that as evidence of something fairly miraculous.
Not only was it founded by ordinary people, it has also survived the butchery & politics of many societies down the years who have abused it & edited it's teachings for their own ends. Yet it's still here.
Personally I am with Ghandi. Christianity is so unlike many Christians. I like what I read about Christ, I really dislike how I see many Christians translate that teaching & how they turn something that should be a good in the world, into something bad.
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07-31-2017, 09:41 AM
Post: #3
RE: God is imaginary
(07-31-2017 09:04 AM)UglyNRude Wrote:  God has never left any physical evidence of his existence on earth.

None of Jesus' "miracles" left any physical evidence either.

God has never spoken to modern man, for example by taking over all the television stations and broadcasting a rational message to everyone.

The resurrected Jesus has never appeared to anyone.

The Bible we have is provably incorrect and is obviously the work of primitive men rather than God.

When we analyze prayer with statistics, we find no evidence that God is "answering prayers."

Huge, amazing atrocities like the Holocaust and AIDS occur without any response from God.

Let's agree that there is no empirical evidence showing that God exists. And there should be evidence - for example, this page describes a method that should produce incontrovertible evidence of God's existence. See also this page.

Many of God's supposed attributes should create evidence. For example, the Bible says that God answers prayers. But we know that the belief in prayer is a superstition. The lack of evidence seen in the prayer realm acts as evidence that God is imaginary. So absence of evidence can be evidence of absence, because it shows that God is not doing things he has promised to do.

If you think about it as a rational person, this lack of evidence is startling. There is not one bit of empirical evidence indicating that today's "God", nor any other contemporary god, nor any god of the past, exists. In addition we know that:

If we had scientific proof of God's existence, we would talk about the "science of God" rather than "faith in God".

If we had scientific proof of God's existence, the study of God would be a scientific endeavor rather than a theological one.

If we had scientific proof of God's existence, all religious people would be aligning on the God that had been scientifically proven to exist. Instead there are thousands of gods and religions.

The reason for this lack of evidence is easy for any unbiased observer to see. The reason why there is no empirical evidence for God is because God is imaginary.
https://godisimaginary.com/index.htm

Several of your points are debatable, but of course, God appearing to someone would be unprovable, as are some of the other points.

And yet, psychologists have a consensus that mankind is mentally "programmed" to believe in a higher power. And sociologists have never found a society that existed without some attendant religion. In fact, one of the keys to understanding a society is to understand the religion of that society.

Stating that God is imaginary is suggesting that God is an illusion. Reality itself is an illusion impressed on us by our consciousness. String theory, quantum duality of light, time as a flexible dimension...the universe slips between reality and unreality all the time.

-DFB

Subject: I have a black cat.
Believer: Black cats are bad luck.
Non-believer: It's just a cat.
Crackpot: Black cats are part of the New World Order government conspiracy.
Skeptic: I can test if black cats are more or less lucky than another cat.
Cynic: You only have a black cat to gain power and prestige.

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08-02-2017, 06:52 AM
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RE: God is imaginary
(07-31-2017 09:25 AM)Kayt Wrote:  One of the most powerful political movements in the world, Christianity. was founded 2000 years ago by 12 people, at least 7 of whom were fishermen, so far from well educated. Personally I would describe that as evidence of something fairly miraculous.
Not only was it founded by ordinary people, it has also survived the butchery & politics of many societies down the years who have abused it & edited it's teachings for their own ends. Yet it's still here.
Personally I am with Ghandi. Christianity is so unlike many Christians. I like what I read about Christ, I really dislike how I see many Christians translate that teaching & how they turn something that should be a good in the world, into something bad.

We do indeed have that ability.

Take the genocide in Noah's day, or the story of God torturing King David's baby for six days before finally murdering it, all because of his anger with the King.

Those are both definitely evil works from God, yet Christians think those good and love God all the more for being evil.

Is that the type of ability you were talking about?

Can you explain why you do it?

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08-02-2017, 04:38 PM
Post: #5
RE: God is imaginary
There is no such thing as good or evil. There is simply balance & unbalance. An action within the correct time frame/ location or out of it.
There is no god, no devil, no heaven & no hell, other than of our making. There is just the universe consisting of the macro universe. That outside of us & the Micro Universe. That within us.
When we are truly balanced the two universes are in harmony & then we transcend beyond the unknowing.
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08-03-2017, 09:31 AM
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RE: God is imaginary
(08-02-2017 04:38 PM)Kayt Wrote:  There is no such thing as good or evil. There is simply balance & unbalance. An action within the correct time frame/ location or out of it.
There is no god, no devil, no heaven & no hell, other than of our making. There is just the universe consisting of the macro universe. That outside of us & the Micro Universe. That within us.
When we are truly balanced the two universes are in harmony & then we transcend beyond the unknowing.

If the only way you can try to make a point is to deny well defined terms, like good and evil, then you know you have no point to make and are just trying to deflect.

If you are raped, would you not apply the word evil as a description of the event or would you just say your micro universe was out of balance?

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08-03-2017, 11:06 AM
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RE: God is imaginary
(08-03-2017 09:31 AM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote:  If the only way you can try to make a point is to deny well defined terms, like good and evil, then you know you have no point to make and are just trying to deflect.

Good & evil are not even poorly defined, let alone well defined.
Everything has two pole. The magnet has north & south. A sheet of paper two sides. The theological argument of what good & evil are is nothing but an infinite debate which will bring no one closer to anything but the end of a debate about semantics.
The Zohar says that our aim is "To include the left in the right." To return all to it's source.
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08-03-2017, 12:27 PM
Post: #8
RE: God is imaginary
Kayt, you say there is no such thing as good or evil, and say Hitler was a Christian who based his Nazi party beliefs on the Christian faith, and you think contemporary American Christians hold similar views to WWII Nazis. You poor thing, you are so confused.

(07-31-2017 09:44 AM)Kayt Wrote:  ...
As for Hitler, he was a Christian & on many occasions said his national socialist beliefs were based upon that Christian faith.
So maybe God would see Hitler as no less a Christian than any of the bible bashing southern state Americans, who have very similar views.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_...olf_Hitler
Adolf Hitler's religious beliefs have been a matter of debate; the wide consensus of historians consider him to have been irreligious and anti-Christian, while a small minority have claimed he was a Christian. In light of evidence such as his rejection of the tenets of Christianity as an adolescent,[1], numerous private statements to confidants denouncing Christianity as a harmful superstition, and his strenuous efforts to reduce the influence and independence of Christianity in Germany after he came to power, Hitler's major academic biographers conclude that he was an opponent of Christianity. Historian Laurence Rees found no evidence that "Hitler, in his personal life, ever expressed belief in the basic tenets of the Christian church".[2] Hitler's remarks to confidants, as described in the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Albert Speer, and transcripts of Hitler's private conversations recorded by Martin Bormann in Hitler's Table Talk, are further evidence of his anti-Christian beliefs; these sources record a number of private remarks in which Hitler ridicules Christian doctrine as absurd and socially destructive.[3]
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08-03-2017, 12:51 PM
Post: #9
RE: God is imaginary
Crossbow. You seem to think that having different views for different audiences & for different periods of his life stops Hitler being a Christian. Many politicians & Christians have no personal belief in what they say publicly & few if any politicians manage to keep an opinion longer than a blink of an eye.
I would say Hitler was a perfect example of both a politician & a christian.
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08-03-2017, 03:36 PM
Post: #10
RE: God is imaginary
Hate to wade in here, but it seems like we've had this discussion before. In case you haven't noticed, Hitler often said one thing and did another.

-DFB

Subject: I have a black cat.
Believer: Black cats are bad luck.
Non-believer: It's just a cat.
Crackpot: Black cats are part of the New World Order government conspiracy.
Skeptic: I can test if black cats are more or less lucky than another cat.
Cynic: You only have a black cat to gain power and prestige.

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