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Can you understand the logic of Universality, in terms of all of us ending in heaven?
07-31-2017, 05:49 AM
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Can you understand the logic of Universality, in terms of all of us ending in heaven?
Can you understand the logic of Universality, in terms of all of us ending in heaven?

Hell is obviously an invention of the church. Universalists Gnostic Christianity and other Universalist Abrahamic cults do not see God as a loser of the souls he calls the light of the world.

The light of the world does not end in hell.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

As you can see, especially those last two quotes, all are saved without a sacrifice.

The logic behind Universalism begins with knowing that all souls are created equal. It thus follows that God would treat all souls the same way and would all be given the best possible end due to us being the light of the world and equal. This follows natural law as well as heavenly law as those are never in conflict.

Look at judging, from God’s point of view, with an example of one we mostly think of as evil, Hitler.

Hitler would appear before God and as God examines Hitler’s life, he would see that all those Hitler interacted with, and who contributed to what Hitler became, would all have to share the blame and guilt for Hitler becoming the monster we think he was.

If you take that sound judging logic to it’s ultimate end, you will see the logic of either punishing all of us for what we have contributed to evil, or forgive us all for all being exactly what God, if he existed, created us to be.

Non-Universalist creeds, that have that imaginary religious creation called hell, are trying to appease their own blame and guilt by placing some souls above others even though God would have created us all equal. God unites while religions separate.

Do you believe God to be a Universalist God, or a God that is such a poor creator that he would have to send his perfectly created souls to eternal punishment instead of just curing them, if required?

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07-31-2017, 09:44 AM
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RE: Can you understand the logic of Universality, in terms of all of us ending in heaven?
Anyone who believes in God cannot surely believe that human morality & our earth bound thoughts can conceive of what God believes to be true. Can we? Surely that is exactly why the Gnostic testament of Judas says the other 11 Disciples failed to receive the full teaching of Jesus.
As for Hitler, he was a Christian & on many occasions said his national socialist beliefs were based upon that Christian faith.
So maybe God would see Hitler as no less a Christian than any of the bible bashing southern state Americans, who have very similar views.
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07-31-2017, 10:46 AM
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RE: Can you understand the logic of Universality, in terms of all of us ending in heaven?
(07-31-2017 09:44 AM)Kayt Wrote:  
Quote:Anyone who believes in God cannot surely believe that human morality & our earth bound thoughts can conceive of what God believes to be true. Can we?


Then why, in Gen 3, does God say that A & E became as Gods in the knowing of good and evil?

Why also are we told to emulate God if we cannot know his moral sense?

Further, how can we do what this quote says to do without a moral sense.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

Quote: Surely that is exactly why the Gnostic testament of Judas says the other 11 Disciples failed to receive the full teaching of Jesus.


Not getting the full picture has nothing to do with judging the morality of what is given.

Quote:As for Hitler, he was a Christian & on many occasions said his national socialist beliefs were based upon that Christian faith.
So maybe God would see Hitler as no less a Christian than any of the bible bashing southern state Americans, who have very similar views.

I see God as a genocidal son murdering prick so it is quite likely that he would love Hitler and encourage him to use genocide until he becomes just as big of a prick as Yahweh himself.

At least Hitler did not use genocide on animals.

Satan would hate Hitler though as she tends not to murder or kill many of us as compared to God.

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07-31-2017, 11:49 AM
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RE: Can you understand the logic of Universality, in terms of all of us ending in heaven?
The problem with quoting the Bible is, it's been heavily changed down the years to suit the needs of Christians. So even if we accept it was accurate to start with, it certainly cannot be held up as accurate now.
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07-31-2017, 12:09 PM
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RE: Can you understand the logic of Universality, in terms of all of us ending in heaven?
(07-31-2017 11:49 AM)Kayt Wrote:  The problem with quoting the Bible is, it's been heavily changed down the years to suit the needs of Christians. So even if we accept it was accurate to start with, it certainly cannot be held up as accurate now.

No arguing against that for sure.

Christians, of course will not agree.

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07-31-2017, 03:42 PM
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RE: Can you understand the logic of Universality, in terms of all of us ending in heaven?
(07-31-2017 12:09 PM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote:  No arguing against that for sure.

Christians, of course will not agree.

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As a Christian I disagree. Those that taught me are pretty quick to say that they believe that the scripture was correct as originally written but has been corrupted since then. I'm a little less strict and am not quite sure it wasn't corrupted between the incident being recorded and the person writing it, but contend that it is at least correct in general. Christianity embraces opinions ranging from scripture being 100% infallible to people that believe the entire Bible was a myth but God and Christ exist anyway.

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Believer: Black cats are bad luck.
Non-believer: It's just a cat.
Crackpot: Black cats are part of the New World Order government conspiracy.
Skeptic: I can test if black cats are more or less lucky than another cat.
Cynic: You only have a black cat to gain power and prestige.

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07-31-2017, 03:50 PM (This post was last modified: 07-31-2017 03:51 PM by Enemy No. 1 Gnostic.)
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RE: Can you understand the logic of Universality, in terms of all of us ending in heaven?
(07-31-2017 03:42 PM)Darkforeboding Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 12:09 PM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote:  No arguing against that for sure.

Christians, of course will not agree.

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DL

As a Christian I disagree. Those that taught me are pretty quick to say that they believe that the scripture was correct as originally written but has been corrupted since then. I'm a little less strict and am not quite sure it wasn't corrupted between the incident being recorded and the person writing it, but contend that it is at least correct in general. Christianity embraces opinions ranging from scripture being 100% infallible to people that believe the entire Bible was a myth but God and Christ exist anyway.

I cannot link yet but please google ---- Forged-Bart Ehrman --- as well as --- 2007-Doc Zone - Pagan Christ 1 of 3

You will see that the myth is a plagiarized version of Sumerian and Egyptian myths and that no one really knows who the authors are.

You say yourself that the bible is corrupted so how can you tell that your water walker is just not another fictional character?

Or do you not care as long as you get your get out of hell free card for not taking responsibility for your own wickedness as that corrupted bible says you should?


Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

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07-31-2017, 09:34 PM
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RE: Can you understand the logic of Universality, in terms of all of us ending in heaven?
(07-31-2017 03:50 PM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 03:42 PM)Darkforeboding Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 12:09 PM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote:  No arguing against that for sure.

Christians, of course will not agree.

Regards
DL

As a Christian I disagree. Those that taught me are pretty quick to say that they believe that the scripture was correct as originally written but has been corrupted since then. I'm a little less strict and am not quite sure it wasn't corrupted between the incident being recorded and the person writing it, but contend that it is at least correct in general. Christianity embraces opinions ranging from scripture being 100% infallible to people that believe the entire Bible was a myth but God and Christ exist anyway.

I cannot link yet but please google ---- Forged-Bart Ehrman --- as well as --- 2007-Doc Zone - Pagan Christ 1 of 3

You will see that the myth is a plagiarized version of Sumerian and Egyptian myths and that no one really knows who the authors are.

You say yourself that the bible is corrupted so how can you tell that your water walker is just not another fictional character?

Or do you not care as long as you get your get out of hell free card for not taking responsibility for your own wickedness as that corrupted bible says you should?


Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Regards
DL

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-DFB

Subject: I have a black cat.
Believer: Black cats are bad luck.
Non-believer: It's just a cat.
Crackpot: Black cats are part of the New World Order government conspiracy.
Skeptic: I can test if black cats are more or less lucky than another cat.
Cynic: You only have a black cat to gain power and prestige.

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08-01-2017, 05:43 AM
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RE: Can you understand the logic of Universality, in terms of all of us ending in heaven?
(07-31-2017 09:34 PM)Darkforeboding Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 03:50 PM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 03:42 PM)Darkforeboding Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 12:09 PM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote:  No arguing against that for sure.

Christians, of course will not agree.

Regards
DL




As a Christian I disagree. Those that taught me are pretty quick to say that they believe that the scripture was correct as originally written but has been corrupted since then. I'm a little less strict and am not quite sure it wasn't corrupted between the incident being recorded and the person writing it, but contend that it is at least correct in general. Christianity embraces opinions ranging from scripture being 100% infallible to people that believe the entire Bible was a myth but God and Christ exist anyway.

I cannot link yet but please google ---- Forged-Bart Ehrman --- as well as --- 2007-Doc Zone - Pagan Christ 1 of 3

You will see that the myth is a plagiarized version of Sumerian and Egyptian myths and that no one really knows who the authors are.

You say yourself that the bible is corrupted so how can you tell that your water walker is just not another fictional character?

Or do you not care as long as you get your get out of hell free card for not taking responsibility for your own wickedness as that corrupted bible says you should?


Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Regards
DL

Run along and bother someone else.


Hell ---- does not exist
Heaven ------ do not exist
Soul or energy of man ------- 100% existence
God ---- Once lived a man who was arrogant and intrusive (a legend that is misrepresented)
ET in higher form ---- exists in another galaxy
Souls of death - food for souls (a reincarnation)
All other theories created by religion (mass schizophrenia)

People with a birth create the body of the body, which we steal for the empowerment of energy



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08-02-2017, 02:10 AM
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RE: Can you understand the logic of Universality, in terms of all of us ending in heaven?
(08-01-2017 05:43 AM)rudidur Wrote:  All other theories created by religion (mass schizophrenia)

Thats an interesting diagnosis. How does it work? Because as far as I know there has never been any suggestion that mass schizophrenia exists beyond your post. So I would be most interested to hear your evidence for such a diagnosis.
For example how do explain mass schizophrenia in pre teens? As schizophrenia is extremely rare in that age group.
Also what is your diagnosis criteria?
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