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I don't understand the sacrifice
08-04-2017, 01:58 AM
Post: #21
RE: I don't understand the sacrifice
(07-29-2017 07:32 PM)nawal Wrote:  ...
...in some gnostic gospels he returns at the third day and people see him around again, but Church took those out of the bible because his image was more useful staying dead and nailed to the cross, that image creates a behavior in believers

By the way, nawal, the bible gospels describe Christ's return at the third day and people seeing, talking with him and touching him. The church has never taken those out of the bible.

You are confused and don't know it. You should stop believing what other people tell you about the bible and read it for yourself. Then people could not bullsh*t you as has happened. You are not on your own though, that's for sure.

If you want to understand the bible, I suggest do not read it like many do, picking a few sentences out here and there. You could not understand any book by reading it like that.

Rather, read it properly and slowly so as to understand the correct overall story. During and after that you may wish to explore the details. There are many children's bibles available that are condensed versions and provide easy reading to get the overall story. Children's books are often useful when learning from scratch about any subject.
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08-16-2017, 06:02 PM
Post: #22
RE: I don't understand the sacrifice
(08-04-2017 01:58 AM)crossbow Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 07:32 PM)nawal Wrote:  ...
...in some gnostic gospels he returns at the third day and people see him around again, but Church took those out of the bible because his image was more useful staying dead and nailed to the cross, that image creates a behavior in believers

By the way, nawal, the bible gospels describe Christ's return at the third day and people seeing, talking with him and touching him. The church has never taken those out of the bible.

You are confused and don't know it. You should stop believing what other people tell you about the bible and read it for yourself. Then people could not bullsh*t you as has happened. You are not on your own though, that's for sure.

If you want to understand the bible, I suggest do not read it like many do, picking a few sentences out here and there. You could not understand any book by reading it like that.

Rather, read it properly and slowly so as to understand the correct overall story. During and after that you may wish to explore the details. There are many children's bibles available that are condensed versions and provide easy reading to get the overall story. Children's books are often useful when learning from scratch about any subject.

Good advice.

A careful reading of the bible creates more atheists daily, --- who are not impressed with a genocidal son murdering prick of a God.

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09-07-2017, 07:01 AM (This post was last modified: 09-07-2017 07:29 AM by Courage.)
Post: #23
RE: I don't understand the sacrifice
(08-16-2017 06:02 PM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote:  Good advice.

A careful reading of the bible creates more atheists daily, --- who are not impressed with a genocidal son murdering prick of a God.

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That's because human intelligence is low. So whenever they apply their IQ, it is in a wrong way.

That said. God's only job here is to save souls. He kills those standing in the way of the Jews such that the Jews can survive to bring forward His salvation message to today's humans. Or else the Jews will be outnumbered and wiped out before they can set foot in Canaan.

(07-22-2017 09:23 AM)rondele Wrote:  For years I've been nagged by why Jesus's death is called a sacrifice. "For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son..."

Jesus knew his physical death was only temporary and that he would return to heaven. Contrast this to a soldier on the battlefield who throws himself on a live grenade to save his teammates. He has no prior knowledge that he'll go to heaven. He's willing to die nonetheless. Isn't his act more of a sacrifice?

And God didn't really "give" his son. Jesus returned to heaven in 3 days to "sit on his right hand."

What say you, Don (or anyone else)? I know this has come up on another forum and you agreed it was a good question. Can you please give this more thought? Would appreciate it!

R

(07-22-2017 09:23 AM)rondele Wrote:  Jesus knew his physical death was only temporary and that he would return to heaven. Contrast this to a soldier on the battlefield who throws himself on a live grenade to save his teammates. He has no prior knowledge that he'll go to heaven. He's willing to die nonetheless. Isn't his act more of a sacrifice?

God cannot be harmed physically. However He can be harmed in another way. For example, He can be harmed when He sees how His creatures sinned. That's why He promised Noah to bear with human sins but not beyond the final judgment.

Even several hundreds of years ago, noble people don't swallow insults for no reason. They will duel with you if you do something against their good names.

One of the attributes of God is that He doesn't swallow insults for no reason. That's why He never left His real name to humans on earth. He will only reveal His true name to those saved in the end.

Revelation 3:12 (NIV2011)
The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.


He can be deeply harmed if you put insults against His name.

Matthew 12:32-33 (NIV2011)
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.


So insulting God the Holy Spirit is the deadest sin. At the same time, the name of God the son is not any lesser than that of the Holy Spirit. However you can insult Jesus' from the time when He started his ministry 2000 years ago till this very day, and till the end of humanity. That's the sacrifice He made other than being cruelly crucified as a human.
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09-07-2017, 08:12 AM
Post: #24
RE: I don't understand the sacrifice
(09-07-2017 07:01 AM)Courage Wrote:  I snipped the rest as it was all B.S. about what you know of God when we all know, as your religion says, that God is unknowable.

So stop lying to us by talking as if you somehow know the unknowable.

Your ---
That's because human intelligence is low. So whenever they apply their IQ, it is in a wrong way.

You have definitely shown your lack of intelligence and low I Q by trying to tell us what you fathom of the unfathomable and know of the unknowable.

Or is your bible lying?

I did note your Noah comment.

Can you tell us why you follow a genocidal God who, as in the King David story, will even tortured David's baby for 6 days before finally killing it, all because he was angry with David.

Why do you follow an evil God and are not seeking a moral God?

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