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Can Satan read our thoughts?
07-14-2017, 04:57 AM (This post was last modified: 07-14-2017 05:04 AM by UglyNRude.)
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If a sentence has the word "quantum" in it, and if it is coming out of a non-physicist's mouth, you can almost be certain that there's a huge quantum of BS being dumped on your head.
—Physicist Devashish Singh, quoting a colleague

Then we have quantam woo.
Quantum woo is the justification of irrational beliefs by an obfuscatory reference to quantum physics. Buzzwords like “energy field”, “probability wave”, or “wave-particle duality” are used to magically turn thoughts into something tangible in order to directly affect the universe.
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07-14-2017, 06:21 AM
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Katy and UggyRude seem worried that devils might exist.

Even against someone like me who doesn't know and doesn't care whether or not devils exist, you have to make believe I'm saying I believe in them, so that you can argue against them.

I don't think you should be so worried about devils existing or not existing.

(07-07-2017 12:31 AM)crossbow Wrote:  ...
The only devil we need be concerned about is that part of our self that would have us disobey our conscience.

All detrimental influence comes in via that.

Personally, I think the worst devils are humans.
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07-16-2017, 08:35 AM
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How do you know demons don't exist?


Ultimately, it doesn't matter whether or not they do. I'm not even arguing that there is no external phenomena. It's my personal belief that we create the external phenomena. But that isn't really what matters. What matters is that the phenomena can be gotten rid of, and in a variety of different ways. So it all comes down to belief. Why should belief affect something that is entirely external? And yet it does. I know this from experience.

So there is a connection between external phenomena and the psyche. If you affect the psyche, you can affect the external phenomena.
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08-02-2017, 06:56 AM (This post was last modified: 08-02-2017 07:11 AM by Enemy No. 1 Gnostic.)
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(07-07-2017 12:31 AM)crossbow Wrote:  This is how I see it.

The only devil we need be concerned about is that part of our self that would have us disobey our conscience.

All detrimental influence comes in via that.

That is rather a Gnostic Christian way to answer. You seem to recognize that both Satan and god are within you.

Good that you recognize that truth.

Some day all people will stand tall instead of on their knees to an imaginary God.

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(06-25-2017 11:55 AM)I Am Dude Wrote:  Can Satan read humans' thoughts? Most Christians say no.

Christians of the literal type are wrong about most things that appear in scriptures.

The answer to your question is yes, as Satan is a female character that represents your feminine side and speaks in the same language as your thoughts.

Catholicism changed Satan's androgynous gender to female when they decided to reverse the moral of Eden from our elevation to our fall.

It was all a part of them trying to vilify women and put them down into their place, below men, as well as vilify all the serpent worshiping cults that were all over the known world.

In the war of Gods, vilifying the best attributes of the other side is a good strategy. That may be why Fake News is so popular these days. People like to both make up and believe lies.

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(07-16-2017 08:35 AM)ChaosRose Wrote:  
How do you know demons don't exist?


Ultimately, it doesn't matter whether or not they do. I'm not even arguing that there is no external phenomena. It's my personal belief that we create the external phenomena. But that isn't really what matters. What matters is that the phenomena can be gotten rid of, and in a variety of different ways. So it all comes down to belief. Why should belief affect something that is entirely external? And yet it does. I know this from experience.

So there is a connection between external phenomena and the psyche. If you affect the psyche, you can affect the external phenomena.

You can have an effect on your perception of that phenomenon but you cannot effect the phenomenon itself.

If I could affect your psyche to not believe the moon was in the sky, the moon would still exist. Just not in your perception. No?

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(07-07-2017 07:56 AM)ChaosRose Wrote:  Since any demons you can conjure come from your own psyche, and you know everything about you...sure.

Does that condition also apply to God?

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11-05-2017, 04:57 AM
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(06-25-2017 11:55 AM)I Am Dude Wrote:  Can Satan read humans' thoughts? Most Christians say no. However, I think certain evidence from spirit mediums and channels would indicate that perhaps demonic beings can in fact read our thoughts. I'm not sure if there is anything in the Bible that states or indicates that this is not possible- of course, not in the all knowing way as God does, but in a more limited way, targeting an individual and accessing their mind. I think if demons can possess a person and influence their thoughts and their body, the ability to know the person's thoughts isn't so far fetched.

I think most Christians are right in saying Satan cannot read human's thoughts.
But you are also right in saying that some demonic beings can read thoughts. And you are right in believing it is in a more limited way. In fact this is done by a cheat. However it is not about targeting an individual and accessing their mind.

Firstly Satan is an adversary. In Greek it is known as diabolo literally meaning two poles. My late (as he revealed in the end.. psychopathic) husband called this the evil spirit or corrupted mindset. And he claimed it was made up of all like-minded, inhumane (i.e., lacking empathy) people.

What I have found is that telepathy is not about one person sending a thought to another person, nor one person "reading" another person's mind or what I would rather say what the other person is thinking. I found that telepathy only works where there is relationship. And it needs to be reasonably strong (though not necessarily friendly) relationship. So for instance a false friend or nasty relative is still strongly related.

What I have seen is the case is that there is only One Mind, the Mind of God, in which all of creation is brought into being. Within the One Mind is all information, so we, as conscious beings, can utilise that information for thinking or reasoning or perceiving. Hence we are co-creators. We can also address someone related directly through thought. As related people have a mental entanglement, then one person can present and idea mentally to another related person and the second person can perceive the ideas presented in the Mind.

My late husband revealed a lot about the foul game play of inhumane people near the end of his life. He said you can ask another related person a question but cunningly by presenting just one or two words. ( But having played another cheat before hand, which hides their identity. ) So the other person perceives the ideas and thinks it is their own thinking. If that happens then they may mentally uphold the information in Mind or probably better to say call forth the information from the Mind. If they do that then the first person can perceive what is being upheld in Mind because what the second person doesn't realise is that they are in communication with the first person.They are in a dialogue because they are answering a cunningly posed question. In this way one person can trick another person to think of the things that they want to perceive, e.g., private information. Hence you are correct that some demonic being (inhumane people are demonic beings) can limitedly... not read minds.... but by devious means gain information by telepathy.

The matter of possession comes along these lines. I believe that there is no real possession but there is the illusion of possession, enough for the person "possessed" to be seriously troubled. You are right to say the person is influenced but not through their thoughts.. but through thoughts, which are presented to them and which they mistake as their own thinking. One's own thinking carries authority, so the person becomes stuck in a maze. The way out is to realise that the thoughts are mere malicious suggestion and hence null and void.

Also in an earlier post you asked someone "What makes you say Satan is the second most powerful being in the universe?"

I would say that Satan (the evil spirit/ corrupted mindset) is not only not a powerful being, but a total wimp. All of the seeming power is gained by exploiting the other person's ignorance and innocence and using the victim's power against them. And all foul game play is based on deception and illusion. There is no situation where any spiritual power is yielded by evil beings whether singly or through the collective (i.e., Satan).

I have been working as an activist since the late 1990s, nearly 20 years now and since that time an escalating war has been waged against me by hundreds of inhumane people (i.e., demons) and yet I can stand against them with relative ease. These days sailing on an even keel!

The reason is that humane people have enormous spiritual power whereas the demons have none. A humane person can set directives to the Universe as to do maximum damage to anyone inhumane, who hassles them. A humane person has spiritual light and an inhumane person is spiritually dark. When I finally perceived (become aware of) my husbands spiritual nature, I found it was sheer blackness.
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11-05-2017, 03:45 PM
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Kyrani99

I have initiated telepathy twice but see it as a part of nature and not the supernatural.

Belief in demons, which have never been shown to exist, is too much like blind faith for me.

Faith without facts in not the way to go.

Other than in your own mind, do you have any facts to guide you?

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11-06-2017, 09:33 AM (This post was last modified: 11-06-2017 09:51 AM by Kyrani99.)
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(11-05-2017 03:45 PM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote:  Kyrani99

I have initiated telepathy twice but see it as a part of nature and not the supernatural.

Belief in demons, which have never been shown to exist, is too much like blind faith for me.

Faith without facts in not the way to go.

Other than in your own mind, do you have any facts to guide you?

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The demons are real. They are real people, but they act through devious means.

As a result the person confronted only perceives ideas in the Mind and sometimes a bad presence or bad gut feeling and nothing more. They can't show concrete evidence. They don't realise that they are up against real people in their life, e.g., some relative, friend or co-worker etc.

The facts are obtainable once the person understands the nature of the foul game play..The big problem is that psychiatry and science more generally reject ESP and telepathy because they do not fit the materialism is all that there is worldview. Experiments are done to fail or give dubious results.

And where good results are obtained they fail the repeatability tests because other scientists look to create problems so that the work ends up in question. This is happening to the work of Dr. Rupert Sheldrake, of Trinity College, Cambridge. Especially his work with dogs knowing when their owners are coming home. The repeat experiments only need to frighten the dogs to subvert the experiments. And the threats made to the dogs do not need to be obvious to any humans.
(11-05-2017 03:45 PM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote:  Kyrani99

I have initiated telepathy twice but see it as a part of nature and not the supernatural.

Telepathy cannot be part of nature because there is no way for any information to travel instantaneously from one individual to another. It has to involve a non-physical realm of information, which both perceive simultaneously, Nothing travels from A to B.

I tried to explain this in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6cOzipb9Jo In this video I have tried to explain the scientific basis for telepathy but that entails some conditions that physicists won't accept. They try to say that information is physical and hence they suggest a magical particle with infinite speed.

Using the view that reality is made up of a non-physical aspect as well as a physical aspect, which are hard to understand, but I think there are not two separate realms but two aspects of the same realm.

If you go into my Youtube channel you will also find the one on ESP and the foul game play. You will see the cheating methods used to cause the person to become focused and attentive to the person trying to adversely affect them using ideas. This is the demon. It is not some disembodied supernatural entity.
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11-06-2017, 04:41 PM
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"The demons are real. They are real people,"

People are defined one way and demons another. You misuse the language.

"Telepathy cannot be part of nature"

As I said, I have done it twice, and I cannot do supernatural. I can only do natural.

Note in this clip how this scientist says telepathy is in our natural realm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM6yLngNnDY

I think that is the more intelligent view instead of thinking that we can manipulate a supernatural realm, especially when using natural tools to access telepathy.

I will have a look at your link regardless.

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11-07-2017, 09:22 AM
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(11-06-2017 04:41 PM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote:  Kyrani99

"The demons are real. They are real people,"

People are defined one way and demons another. You misuse the language.

When you see my video on ESP and foul game play and see how these people operate, then you will realise why they may be called demons. There is nothing supernatural that I would call a demon. It all has to do with the sort of ways relationship and telepathy, which arises with relationship, can be exploitd.

"Telepathy cannot be part of nature"

As I said, I have done it twice, and I cannot do supernatural. I can only do natural.

Note in this clip how this scientist says telepathy is in our natural realm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM6yLngNnDY

I think that is the more intelligent view instead of thinking that we can manipulate a supernatural realm, especially when using natural tools to access telepathy.

I will have a look at your link regardless.

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You probably don't realise it but you would have had telepathic perceptions many, many more times than twice. It is a natural ability that everyone has, but relationship is essential.

It is possible to stare at a stranger and they get to sense that you are staring at them but that is not telepathy. It is ESP similar to remote viewing. Everything in the Universe is related, so we have basic amount of extrasensory perception.

Everyone in the clip you gave is a scientist and they have a dogma. Yes, like religious people, they also have dogmas. The dogma that scientists have is that "materialism is all that there is". I have had physicists bark at me because I am suggesting a non-physical aspect to this reality. BUT they don't offer better explanations. They say we understand it mathematically and we don't need to understand what happens in reality. That, to me, is a cop out.

Another problem is the assumption of many minds. We don't know that at all. We all have a body, which has a brain, but the brain is not the mind. There are huge problems in trying to make the brain the mind. For instance, scientists have mapped all areas of the visual field and they are well known. We have different areas where information about shape, colour, texture etc., are processed. However there is nowhere where all this information comes together. This is called the binding problem. This video explains it in 9 mins. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oR8tB4u3Yk

Even if in all these areas the neurons are firing together, there is still no place where there is a controller area that would register all this information and form an image.

Clearly the mind is not the brain, not in the brain and not emergent from brain activity.

Furthermore the only way we can both perceive something mentally at the same time is if there is a common platform, a One Mind. So the many minds theory is not the reality. Rather, by virtue of consciousness, we are able to make use of the non-physical reality of the Mind. So there are many beings but only One Mind.

How we, as non-physical beings, control the physical, is a matter of consciousness. And at present we know NOTHING about consciousness. There are hundreds of hypotheses but none have shown anything.

As conscious beings, we have a spiritual nature, and yet we do "drive" our embodiments. How is a mystery, but that is not good grounds to reject it. The only thing I can say at present is I don't know but I am working on it!

To me there is too much evidence in modern physics, which points strongly to a non-physical aspect of reality. I don't thing the physical and the non-physical are separate, but rather two aspects of the one reality. The Spiritual Realm is something else again.
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11-07-2017, 10:17 AM
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I agree that we know little of consciousness and that is why I am keeping an open mind.

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