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Christian Q&A
08-03-2017, 08:45 AM
Post: #21
RE: Christian Q&A
(08-03-2017 07:35 AM)crossbow Wrote:  Truth is all we need worship, but truth is God.

You seem to be idol worshiping the notion in your own mind that God is truth.

I see what you put as an abuse of language as God is defined one way and truth another way and those descriptions are not the accepted ones.

You have created your own God while, if I read your post correctly, criticizing others for doing the same thing.

If you idol worship the truth you think you know, then you will resist accepting a better truth as our ideas of truth evolve.

This is the reason that Gnostic Christians are perpetual seekers and we take the truth we believe, put a tad of doubt to it, raise the bar or expectation and seek a better truth.

That, to us, is the only way to not be idol worshipers of the truth we hold until a better or more accurate one comes along.

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08-03-2017, 11:47 AM
Post: #22
RE: Christian Q&A
(08-03-2017 08:45 AM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote:  
(08-03-2017 07:35 AM)crossbow Wrote:  Truth is all we need worship, but truth is God.

You seem to be idol worshiping the notion in your own mind that God is truth.

I see what you put as an abuse of language as God is defined one way and truth another way and those descriptions are not the accepted ones.

You have created your own God while, if I read your post correctly, criticizing others for doing the same thing.

If you idol worship the truth you think you know, then you will resist accepting a better truth as our ideas of truth evolve.

This is the reason that Gnostic Christians are perpetual seekers and we take the truth we believe, put a tad of doubt to it, raise the bar or expectation and seek a better truth.

That, to us, is the only way to not be idol worshipers of the truth we hold until a better or more accurate one comes along.

Regards
DL

You could think slower and more carefully.

Truth is how things are, it is what is, it is existence, it is all things and their total.
The important thing is to value truth above all else before we know the truth.
(I mentioned that, you probably missed it)
It is the concept of truth's existence that is to be valued, not what one thinks one knows to be true.

That definition/understanding of truth and attitude to it, in itself protects/prevents one becoming stuck on any particular part of truth and being unable to move on and take in more. It is automatically self cleansing and opening of the mind, with each new understanding making ready for the next. Notice that definition of truth is not providing any image or idol of a particular thing, but is an open expansive attitude to whatever truth may be, while stating the obvious, that truth is what is, whatever it may be. It is applied to truth not yet known, which readies the mind for truth, and is valued more than truth already known, which clears and frees the mind of prior errors. Thus the mind is not prone to error but to the extent of its experience becomes a facsimile of reality, its knowledge ordered as reality is ordered.

Naturally we have to develop the ability to differentiate between what we know and what we only think we know. Recognising what truth is, not as a particular thing but as a concept that it is how things are, largely automates our ability to differentiate between what we know and only think we know. And by applying it internally we learn to differentiate between our pure self and our surroundings, for we only know what we are, all else is conjecture. Few people can make that tight distinction. It helps if we can recognise that in there tightest sense knowledge, experience and proof are interchangeable terms.

We must define our terms, or look silly arguing one thing against another thing while using the same word for different things without even knowing it. I have no interest in doing that. With lofty, subtle or abstract subjects it is essential to define terms or the communication becomes nonsensical like fools venting themselves with no understanding of each other. I am always happy to define my terms. I am also happy to use other's definitions of terms.

God is Truth, is Life, is Love, and truth sets us free, and love is the way, and all three are the same, their difference being in their aspects, and all three are everything. That is made clear through the new testament. God is absolute as truth is absolute. If there were something more then neither could be absolute Truth or God but would have to be extended to include the something more to be absolute.

There is no idol or image involved in my previous post where I defined my terms truth and God. The definitions assist one in understanding and inducing an expanded or reaching awareness that opens and reaches to fathom as much as one currently can, and potentially to open, reach and fathom infinitely, as reality, God and truth are infinite. The bible describes a God that knows all, sees all, is all pervasive, all powerful, is accessible within and without, and to which every soul is intimately related.

I am not abusing language as you suggest. I am well trained and experienced in dialectical therapy and disputation, which requires thought and language to be used precisely. And you say my descriptions of God and Truth are not the accepted ones. You are mistaken. The words I use may be my own but the descriptions they provide are certainly accepted and common ones.
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08-04-2017, 04:36 AM
Post: #23
RE: Christian Q&A
(08-03-2017 11:47 AM)crossbow Wrote:  
(08-03-2017 08:45 AM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote:  
(08-03-2017 07:35 AM)crossbow Wrote:  Truth is all we need worship, but truth is God.

You seem to be idol worshiping the notion in your own mind that God is truth.

I see what you put as an abuse of language as God is defined one way and truth another way and those descriptions are not the accepted ones.

You have created your own God while, if I read your post correctly, criticizing others for doing the same thing.

If you idol worship the truth you think you know, then you will resist accepting a better truth as our ideas of truth evolve.

This is the reason that Gnostic Christians are perpetual seekers and we take the truth we believe, put a tad of doubt to it, raise the bar or expectation and seek a better truth.

That, to us, is the only way to not be idol worshipers of the truth we hold until a better or more accurate one comes along.

Regards
DL

You could think slower and more carefully.

Truth is how things are, it is what is, it is existence, it is all things and their total.
The important thing is to value truth above all else before we know the truth.
(I mentioned that, you probably missed it)
It is the concept of truth's existence that is to be valued, not what one thinks one knows to be true.

That definition/understanding of truth and attitude to it, in itself protects/prevents one becoming stuck on any particular part of truth and being unable to move on and take in more. It is automatically self cleansing and opening of the mind, with each new understanding making ready for the next. Notice that definition of truth is not providing any image or idol of a particular thing, but is an open expansive attitude to whatever truth may be, while stating the obvious, that truth is what is, whatever it may be. It is applied to truth not yet known, which readies the mind for truth, and is valued more than truth already known, which clears and frees the mind of prior errors. Thus the mind is not prone to error but to the extent of its experience becomes a facsimile of reality, its knowledge ordered as reality is ordered.

Naturally we have to develop the ability to differentiate between what we know and what we only think we know. Recognising what truth is, not as a particular thing but as a concept that it is how things are, largely automates our ability to differentiate between what we know and only think we know. And by applying it internally we learn to differentiate between our pure self and our surroundings, for we only know what we are, all else is conjecture. Few people can make that tight distinction. It helps if we can recognise that in there tightest sense knowledge, experience and proof are interchangeable terms.

We must define our terms, or look silly arguing one thing against another thing while using the same word for different things without even knowing it. I have no interest in doing that. With lofty, subtle or abstract subjects it is essential to define terms or the communication becomes nonsensical like fools venting themselves with no understanding of each other. I am always happy to define my terms. I am also happy to use other's definitions of terms.

God is Truth, is Life, is Love, and truth sets us free, and love is the way, and all three are the same, their difference being in their aspects, and all three are everything. That is made clear through the new testament. God is absolute as truth is absolute. If there were something more then neither could be absolute Truth or God but would have to be extended to include the something more to be absolute.

There is no idol or image involved in my previous post where I defined my terms truth and God. The definitions assist one in understanding and inducing an expanded or reaching awareness that opens and reaches to fathom as much as one currently can, and potentially to open, reach and fathom infinitely, as reality, God and truth are infinite. The bible describes a God that knows all, sees all, is all pervasive, all powerful, is accessible within and without, and to which every soul is intimately related.

I am not abusing language as you suggest. I am well trained and experienced in dialectical therapy and disputation, which requires thought and language to be used precisely. And you say my descriptions of God and Truth are not the accepted ones. You are mistaken. The words I use may be my own but the descriptions they provide are certainly accepted and common ones.

"God is Truth, is Life, is Love,"

Those are song lyrics, not proper English.

God is War.

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08-05-2017, 04:25 AM
Post: #24
RE: Christian Q&A
It's easy to see why Saladin believed the Christians could never unite & fight as a unified group. They cannot agree on anything. Rather than accepting god is a very personal experience, they argue the semantics of a word.
How can anyone expect to transcend the physical body if they tie themselves to the physical world so tightly that nothing matters but the meaning of a man made word?
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08-06-2017, 10:20 PM
Post: #25
RE: Christian Q&A
Love is prayer, when understood.

Some men pray, and their prayer makes them better men, kind, generous, charitable, even makes them the best men, husbands, fathers, brothers, neighbours, employers, employees, citizens, that it is possible for those men to be. Other men pray, and their prayer makes them resentful and jealous, even makes them murder others. The difference is that some men know how to pray and some men do not. Some men are praying, and some men think they are praying but are really doing something else. The main difference is love.

Prayer, faith and love, must go together for each to be fulfilled. They must be equal, like the three sides of an equilateral triangle, or like three essential steps. If one is missing, the other two are missing too, and all three are only as strong as the weakest one.
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08-07-2017, 12:04 AM
Post: #26
RE: Christian Q&A
Crossbow, what is prayer, faith and love? What is prayer, faith and love not?
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