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Why Facts Don’t Change Our Minds
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We often see people make claims and no matter how many facts are presented they cannot change their beliefs. Well now we have studies to explain why.
Consider what’s become known as “confirmation bias,” the tendency people have to embrace information that supports their beliefs and reject information that contradicts them. Of the many forms of faulty thinking that have been identified, confirmation bias is among the best catalogued; it’s the subject of entire textbooks’ worth of experiments.
Its shown people do not want beliefs questioned as many do not want people who think critically on the same forum.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/0...-our-minds
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Human mind and beliefs have a very special symbiosis. We can say that everything in our lifes is made of beliefs, even the most skeptic ones, those who say "I don't believe in anything", aren't exempt from that, everybody believes in what they were teachen since babies, maybe simple things like money, sexual stereotypes, if they like more thick girls or skinny, if it is good to take a lot of pills or if it's bad, vaticcines, what you see in the news, etc. All that information is judged as "true" or "false" depending in all the other concepts that we learned.

There's also a "commodity" problem, to believe makes life easier for us, we don't have to re think everything again all the time, we just assume which concepts are more useful for our ideas about life, is easier to believe that we are great, special and smart and know everything than believing that we are foolish, not special at all and we know nothing, but I think sometimes it might be better to believe the second option, so at least we try make an effort to become better and to learn about what we don't know.

You've read me here in this forum, I always try to adapt my language to the concepts of the one who I am speaking at, if my interlocutor believes in soul, then I use the word "soul", if he seems to prefer to use "psyche" then I use that word, if the person refers to some kind of experience as "an encounter with a demon" then I try to give him my advise as if I assumed that it was really a demon, because in some way it was, the experience was real for that person and if I want to really communicate with that person it is me who has to go and adapt to his point of view, I cannot pretend to convince him that his experience is false and force him to understand the things in my language and my point of view. For me, all those ways to speak and say the things are just symbols, for me, God, or The Universe, or The Whole, or The Infinite are all the same thing, just words refering to the biggest thing we can conceive. That also happens with the words "soul" or "ego" or "self"....

And I think that is one of the main problems with psychollogy, they keep creating all those concepts like "ADHD", or "hypnagogic hallucinations", always trying to pathollogize everything to bring more earnings to the big pharmaceuttic companies, "their Gods", but that doesn't help really the person at all, that's why no one has been ever cured of any psychollogical issue by the psychollogists, but they can be cured and helped by just speaking with friends and people who believes them and sincerely tries to help them withou telling them "you are crazy".. I think the only way to bring someone who got lost in some unpleasant region of perception is to be able to go there, try to see the things from their perspective, and then guide them back from there, not pretending just to force them to come back with harmful and addictive pills without even understanding what is really happening inside that person. That's why people always jkeeps looking for spiritual help, because science has nothing to offer in that.
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(02-22-2017, 09:32 PM)nawal Wrote: And I think that is one of the main problems with psychollogy, they keep creating all those concepts like "ADHD", or "hypnagogic hallucinations", always trying to pathollogize everything to bring more earnings to the big pharmaceuttic companies, "their Gods", but that doesn't help really the person at all, that's why no one has been ever cured of any psychollogical issue by the psychollogists, but they can be cured and helped by just speaking with friends and people who believes them and sincerely tries to help them withou telling them "you are crazy".. I think the only way to bring someone who got lost in some unpleasant region of perception is to be able to go there, try to see the things from their perspective, and then guide them back from there, not pretending just to force them to come back with harmful and addictive pills without even understanding what is really happening inside that person. That's why people always jkeeps looking for spiritual help, because science has nothing to offer in that.

You can't really believe this? Obviously you have never spent much time around people with psychological problems. Most people who suffer from mental illness are grateful for the treatment they receive from their doctors.
I know plenty of people who before going to see a professional couldn't hold a job because their mental problems interfered with it. With the help of a medical professional they have regimented medication and therapy that helps them keep their disorders/illness in check so they can live a normal life.
But by all means psychologists and medication are evil, they just need to talk it out.


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Of course he believes this, its the way he was trained. Its also the way much of the way the western world think.
An interesting article.
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/08/22/sh...-hospital/

Now that said you also have to look at those who are led in the shamanic path. Many claim shamans are in the schizophrenic realm or live in a delusional world.

Just look at placebo effect, a mentally ill person doesn't want to admit issues, so telling them they can be cured may work for a short time. We see it here all the time, as they want it to be paranormal or magic.
Belief bias occurs when we make illogical conclusions in order to confirm our preexisting beliefs. Belief perseverance refers to our tendency to maintain a belief even after the evidence we used to form the belief is contradicted.
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(02-23-2017, 12:13 AM)starpixie Wrote:
(02-22-2017, 09:32 PM)nawal Wrote: And I think that is one of the main problems with psychollogy, they keep creating all those concepts like "ADHD", or "hypnagogic hallucinations", always trying to pathollogize everything to bring more earnings to the big pharmaceuttic companies, "their Gods", but that doesn't help really the person at all, that's why no one has been ever cured of any psychollogical issue by the psychollogists, but they can be cured and helped by just speaking with friends and people who believes them and sincerely tries to help them withou telling them "you are crazy".. I think the only way to bring someone who got lost in some unpleasant region of perception is to be able to go there, try to see the things from their perspective, and then guide them back from there, not pretending just to force them to come back with harmful and addictive pills without even understanding what is really happening inside that person. That's why people always jkeeps looking for spiritual help, because science has nothing to offer in that.

You can't really believe this? Obviously you have never spent much time around people with psychological problems. Most people who suffer from mental illness are grateful for the treatment they receive from their doctors.
I know plenty of people who before going to see a professional couldn't hold a job because their mental problems interfered with it. With the help of a medical professional they have regimented medication and therapy that helps them keep their disorders/illness in check so they can live a normal life.
But by all means psychologists and medication are evil, they just need to talk it out.
I've spent decades around people who has been HARMED by treatements and medications, people who were misdiagnosed, met lots of psychollogists, studied psychollogy myself, read lots of their books, lots of their inventions, their non existent pathollogies, like "ADHD", which is just a child with stress, met a lot of children who`s brains and bodies were ruined by poisonous things like PROZAC or CLONAZEPAM only because they had some crisis once and no one had the patience to contain them without the need of poisoning them and transforming them in a disabled person for the rest of their lifes, because that's what they do, their Pharmaceutic Gods need more disabled persons, they need people dependant of their products for the rest of their lifes. It is true, medications might help, but that's not the right kind of help, it is better to show the person how to get out of their condition by themselves, not depending of drugs that only hide the problem only during 8 hours, you don't fix a problem hiding it, you fix it facing it and getting it over struggling. I also know many psychollogist who do help people, but that's because of their own merits and will to really help, not because of the effectiveness of their pseudo-science.
(02-23-2017, 07:35 AM)UglyNRude Wrote: Of course he believes this, its the way he was trained. Its also the way much of the way the western world think.
An interesting article.
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/08/22/sh...-hospital/

Now that said you also have to look at those who are led in the shamanic path. Many claim shamans are in the schizophrenic realm or live in a delusional world.

Just look at placebo effect, a mentally ill person doesn't want to admit issues, so telling them they can be cured may work for a short time. We see it here all the time, as they want it to be paranormal or magic.
Beautiful article, a good example for what I always keep trying to say.
My case is different, I was raised neither western nor eastern, I grew up half in the middle of the woods in Argentina, with my father, who's a skeptic and very wise person, and the other half in Mexico with a regular family, lived in several countries, saw several cultures. I ended up with those shamans because to live here in the woods for almost 17 years, many of them absolutely alone, with no other friends than plants, animals and spirits, it was more common for me to see a spirit than to see a person, all that led me to go and search for the masters, then I had the luck of meeting some good ones in Mexico. Now I am back in my woods, but this town became very popular and touristic now, so, I built a campground and opened a guest house. Since about 10 years ago, I receive thousands of people every year, most of them in their twenties, like the guy of the movie "Into the Wild", they always speak about their lifes, their issues, they come to this town looking for some different way of life, they want to do everything in two weeks, drink plants like "echinopsis pachanoi" or "Ayahuasca", go to massive meditations and all that New Age's stuff, I always tell them about the dangers, I alwayus hear their stories, lots of them have been diagnosed of some "mental issues", are medicated or maybe not but when you speak to them you se that there's something wrong. I have achieved the fame of being good helping with some issues like seeing ghosts, parasomnias, sleep paralysis, shadow creatures and all that stuff, so many come to see me and I help them, but that's not my job, I am not a "natural born healer", I only like to research and had the opportunity to learn things that others couldn't. My job is being a Handyman, a farmer and a host, It's less draining to work with tools and plants than working woth people. I was a difficult kid, but never needed any mental care and I was lucky that my family had enough patience with me and never sent me to the psychollogist, because I would have been pathollogized and tagged as some kind of mental illness, like they do with almost everyone who goes to see them, they would have medicated me and now I would be another disabled person instead of a happy succesful enterpreneurial. Salutes!
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