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Confirmation from a Human Who Has Been There
#21
I was just wondering if you ever had the thought that you also might be cloned and false memories where implanted to make you believe you are the original.
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#22
        Heavy Wind thank you for replying back to me the weird thing about the Being in my backseat is I took about 5 pictures and every picture I took was something different in it even me I'm gonna show you because I'm starting to worry and scared for me and my son Like I said I've always captured Spirits on camera but not all the time but know I cannot take a picture without something else in it and all this started after my husband died and if it wasn't for the pictures I would think I'm going crazy if you can help with advice Id appreciate
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#23
Itheblaze:

If there was any possibility of being a clone myself, I would know about it. Having been present at the creation of 8 out of the 11 clones (the other three are copies of Clone B), I can tell you that industrialists in the cloning business are wary of false memories since they have a tendency to backfire. As a rule of thumb, the client selects certain categories of memories to leave out so that his or her clone(s) aren't bogged down with irrelevant info. The one memory that the clones always get is the original's decision to get clones made; that way their birth from a cloning machine doesn't come as a shock.

My personal problem as the original is that my brain is so goddam crammed with memories that I sometimes have to sift through decades or even a century or two of irrelevant info just to remember things like my own name or what I had for breakfast 10 minutes ago.
Magga Stina:

There are a lot of things that can be called coincidence in a situation like this. The proximity of your husband's death is not one of them. You will require opinions outside of mine as the situation develops ... despite humankind having a long road to catch up with Sagron, you may find helpful answers from professionals in the fields of geology, meteorology, advanced math and occultism. As for my own two cents, here are four educated guesses that you can factor in.

THE "BENEVOLENT" GUESSES

1. The soul of your husband has crossed paths with beings operating outside the physical plane, and is attempting to relay information to you that will benefit you and your son.

2. Outside parties (possible example: the Consciente Pact) are sending you ... encoded in images ... an active path for you and/or your son to follow in the absence of your husband.

THE "MALIGNANT" GUESSES

3. Your husband has previously crossed paths with unfriendly beings, and whatever problem they had with him, they transfer their grudge to you and your son.

4. Unfriendly beings have detected your negative emotions (i.e. sense of loss) and seeing you as an easy target they are either feeding on your emotions for kicks [or] taking advantage of you as a pawn in whatever their plans may be.

Your third photo: is that you? If not, there are a couple theories I'm still internally mulling over. Your fourth photo, taken from the driver's seat again: not sure what count you have but there are at least five people behind you in that backseat. One of them (and don't hold me to this with the resolution on these photos being so low) sort of resembles someone I used to know but believed was dead.
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#24
                yes its me I'm so confused on these pictures its like I'm somewhere else in reflections its me but how all these people and beings I don't understand before just beautiful pics of spirits now I have hell I don't know If anyone can please and this is my bedroom idk

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#25
                yes the pics are me the one hard to see was also that night in the car I have know idea what's going on but now I'm getting pics like these notice my necklace and below IDK at least there not scary anymore Thank you for you help
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#26
Magga Stina:

Whatever help I can provide; I'm glad you can put my observations to good use.

Some pieces of the puzzle from these latest photos:
1. The luminescent beings that appear cone-shaped I can accurately identify as trigiflags. Whatever is happening, you are lucky to have them on your side.
2. Do you know what your necklace is made from? And is the location of where you bought it something you can safely share on this forum? Talismans will have varying properties; my current wild guess, based on your situation, is that you the wearer have been granted metaphysical authority over a certain group of spirits. Some of these spirits may be rebelling, which could be what the trigiflags are guarding you against.
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#27
(06-17-2016, 11:35 AM)Heavy Wind Wrote: Hello, members of Talk Paranormal.


Your questions are encouraged, and I will answer as many of them as I can.

Was George Adamski telling the truth?
-DFB

Subject: I have a black cat.
Believer: Black cats are bad luck.
Non-believer: It's just a cat.
Crackpot: Black cats are part of the New World Order government conspiracy.
Skeptic: I can test if black cats are more or less lucky than another cat.
Cynic: You only have a black cat to gain power and prestige.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9iIf4tFoyE

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#28
Darkforeboding:

You cannot imagine how amused I am with your mention of George Adamski. What I will make absolutely clear right now is that the claims of George Adamski are a level of bulls*** that gives organic fertilizer a bad name.

Tipoff #1. His audacity in the 30s to found a "Royal Order of Tibet" back when actual Tibet still had a theocratic monarch. He was also stupid enough to openly combine religions (Buddhism, Christianity, occultism) and place himself at the "chief philosopher" head of the resulting temple. All of this happened before he had any supposed contact. No contact from other planets is a coincidence, and we are asked to believe that THIS GUY is someone a race beyond Earth would choose to contact.

Tipoff #2. In his 1949 Southern California lectures, he claimed "that government and science had established the existence of UFOs two years earlier, via radar tracking of 700-foot-long spacecraft on the other side of the Moon." Consider the fact that he says this in 1949. An organized American space program (NASA) wasn't even formed until 1958. Even here in 2016, human scientists issue the discovery of fossilized water anywhere in this solar system as breaking news. Do you honestly think that until Eisenhower, politically-funded technology would have the ability to track a single spacecraft?

Tipoff #3. In these same lectures he implied himself to have taken photos of Mars and found "man-made canals". If you find any documentation of what type of camera he used, let me know.

Tipoff #4. Orthon of Venus. This one really p****s me off. Adamski described an alien that's not only human in appearance with blond hair and a tan, but who is a native of Venus. He additionally claimed that Orthon spoke telepathically, had code-like symbols embedded in his footprints, warned of nuclear warfare, and was able to instill godlike peacefulness in those he conversed with. This is an encounter from November 1952, close to Desert Center, California with an implied half-dozen witnesses who viewed Adamski's meeting with Orthon from a distance. Here is where I will analyze the facts, one by one.
-- Due to the differing threads of evolution on every life-sustaining planet, the claim of a blond humanoid with no anatomical differences worth pointing out is instantly transparent as an "Aryan supremacy" gambit borrowed from Hitler.
-- One thing humans can be given credit for is knowledge of this solar system's parameters. Earth is the one planet in our solar system, based on its distance from Sol, that ecologically works. All other inhabited locations in our system are temporary Sagronian outposts; nothing has been terraformed. In terms of neighboring civilizations, the one closest to us (Nimpisa) is two solar systems away. In other words, "men from Venus" is a pure insult.
-- There is a roadblock in ethical logic when connecting two points here: using telepathy toward a race that's new to alien contact, and the sense of love and wisdom Adamski supposedly gained from such proximity. Would a benevolent race actually risk altering the chemical balance of a human's mind so early on? I can tell you that there are laws throughout Sagron that regulate telepathy and related practices.
-- Encoded shoes? Even if there were any widespread use of such footwear, which there is not, the way it pops up in the context of Adamski's supposed experiences is wrong. Just wrong. Can't buy it for a second.
-- Nuclear war ... 64 years later, we can look back on our planet's history and be able to say with certainty that the way the States and the Soviet Union operated, a nuclear threat in 1952 had no genuine immediacy. There was no reason for any visiting race to just bring it up at a random visit in the Sonoran Desert ...
-- Which brings me to the suspicious convenience of the location. Adamski had already drawn attention to himself (and this is prior to the internet age), and yet there he was in the desert with around six followers to see a "Venusian" land for, as I've previously started to explain, a purpose that doesn't make much sense.
-- Did I mention that Adamski and his followers described the spacecraft as "submarine-shaped"? Hopefully you can agree with me that interplanetary travel requires a certain amount of aeronautic practicality. Submarines are built for underwater travel. For this very reason, Adamski's "Venusian submarine-ship" is quite isolated in humankind's UFO lore.
-- His followers saw his face-to-face visit with Orthon from a distance. Emphasis on FROM A DISTANCE. Whatever the hell these people saw come out of the sky and land, they had to take Adamski's word that the blond humanoid wasn't actually human, and considering his background in religious leadership, he had clearly surrounded himself with people he could convince of anything.

Before I break off into several angry tangents, including the insult toward a real-life Orthon who held political office several dozen solar systems away, please allow me to take a short break ....
Tipoff #5. Adamski's descriptions of visiting spacecraft vary wildly from "cigar" to "submarine" to the photo shown on his Wikipedia page that (surprise, surprise) is the flying saucer associated with so much 50s sci-fi. Yet there is no mention of species apart from the Nordic-type blonds he described, indicating a lack of understanding of how a single species will normally stick to similar designs and engineering in their work.

Tipoff #6. This is more of a personal note due to my Irish heritage, but the wrangling of Clan Leslie into the proceedings (i.e. indirectly prompting Desmond Leslie to dabble in cheesy alien-encounter fiction) was an offensive move of vanity on Adamski's part that goes against galaxy-wide notions of modesty as a virtue.

Tipoff #7. The "Creator of All" that Adamski was supposedly told of, about which humankind's "understanding is shallow" ... f*** that s***. If a real extraterrestrial visitor had been talking to him, the reference would've been to Brahma. That one is obvious.

Tipoff #8. The alleged blond humanoids apparently told Adamski that his late wife had been reincarnated on Venus. [See tipoff 4b.]

Tipoff #9. This is where we get to Adamski's "voyages" during which ... regardless of what planet he claims to have visited ... he supposedly met "the Master, 1000-year-old elder philosopher of the space people". If you think that's bad (which it is), a further claim is added that according to this Master, Jesus Christ was a peacekeeping agent of this particular "Nordic" race. Which shows, among other things, that Adamski isn't familiar enough with Biblical text to be clear on what Jesus was actually teaching.

Tipoff #10. The entirety of the Straith Letter Hoax. That should've been where Adamski's credibility ended.

Tipoff #11. When he somehow managed to meet with the Dutch Queen in 1959, the Queen's Air Force Chief of Staff promptly assessed Adamski as "a pathological case". Bearing in mind it's the Air Force of the Netherlands we're talking about, to be presented with an alien-contact claim and condemn it beyond reasonable doubt so quickly with such authority is noteworthy to say the least.

Tipoff #12. To wrap this up I'll link the stupidity of his 1962 attendance of a conference on Saturn (for what purpose exactly??) with his 1963 "final agreement" between the Venus humanoids, a meeting moderated by no less than Pope John XXIII (and you'd think that if the Pope were privy to any of this, even a group as big as the Catholic Church would have a box of problems they can't seal shut). According to this final bulls***, the Pope relayed an elixir from the aliens to Adamski that would cure his health issues. Two years later Adamski succumbs to illness and dies.

All of this comes from a Wikipedia scrape of his life story. None of his escapades ever mention Sagron or any of the civilizations in its Confederation. The current community of Sagron-integrated humans barely give hoaxers like Adamski a second thought unless prompted in a discussion to examine such people. Sometimes I even find it in me to thank Adamski for inadvertently testing the endurance of those privy to the facts of the matter ... especially in the undertaking that brought me to this forum.
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#29
Heavy Wind is completely fully loaded with hot lying air. I suggest taking your nonsense elsewhere. No one will buy it here.
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#30
(06-27-2016, 12:43 PM)Vultyrex Wrote: Heavy Wind is completely fully loaded with hot lying air. I suggest taking your nonsense elsewhere. No one will buy it here.

Ah, c'mon Vulty, this is kinda fun.
-DFB

Subject: I have a black cat.
Believer: Black cats are bad luck.
Non-believer: It's just a cat.
Crackpot: Black cats are part of the New World Order government conspiracy.
Skeptic: I can test if black cats are more or less lucky than another cat.
Cynic: You only have a black cat to gain power and prestige.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9iIf4tFoyE

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