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A deeper look at EVP
10-21-2016, 09:41 PM
Post: #11
RE: A deeper look at EVP
I've done the EVP bit, and I have to say it wasn't a positive experience. Probably because I had a lot of inner demons at the time. In all honesty, I think a lot of people do hear what they say they hear. They might even get it recorded. But I have a different view on what it actually is. I think that if the situation is just right...if there's a perfect storm going on, so to speak...that someone can create these EVPs, and plenty of other phenomena. Once they realize that they're effectively haunting themselves, and sometimes others around them, they can actually rein it in.
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10-22-2016, 05:20 AM
Post: #12
RE: A deeper look at EVP
(10-21-2016 09:41 PM)ChaosRose Wrote:  In all honesty, I think a lot of people do hear what they say they hear. They might even get it recorded.

The problem is, ask any radio amateur or Short Wave / Scanner Listener what it's like listening for a signal you know may be there among the static. Often you will convince yourself that you can actually hear it. I do not know what it is about static, but it's a great place for hearing things you don't.
Static is not a constant, it is created by a variety of things, both natural & man-made & can have all sorts of subtle sounds mixed in to it.

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10-22-2016, 09:55 AM
Post: #13
RE: A deeper look at EVP
(10-22-2016 05:20 AM)Janus Wrote:  
(10-21-2016 09:41 PM)ChaosRose Wrote:  In all honesty, I think a lot of people do hear what they say they hear. They might even get it recorded.

The problem is, ask any radio amateur or Short Wave / Scanner Listener what it's like listening for a signal you know may be there among the static. Often you will convince yourself that you can actually hear it. I do not know what it is about static, but it's a great place for hearing things you don't.
Static is not a constant, it is created by a variety of things, both natural & man-made & can have all sorts of subtle sounds mixed in to it.

Again, I do have a reasonable amount of personal experience here. I'm not saying pareidolia doesn't happen, but some of the things are unmistakable. Now one could assume that phenomena is entirely exterior...produced by something outside of the self. I just don't buy it. If that was the case, then a person shouldn't be able to get rid of it by working on themselves. The phenomena is an extension of the person.

As far as I'm concerned, all phenomena is linked to the psyche. That doesn't mean it isn't "real." It is real in the sense that it can be experienced by individuals and sometimes others around them. But it's "hollow" in that it can't exist, independently. All a person has to do is take back what they put into it. If they don't realize that they're the cause, though, then they'll have to find something else they can believe in more than the phenomena. Much easier just to recognize the power you have over it to begin with.
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10-22-2016, 10:58 AM
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RE: A deeper look at EVP
(10-22-2016 09:55 AM)ChaosRose Wrote:  Again, I do have a reasonable amount of personal experience here. I'm not saying pareidolia doesn't happen, but some of the things are unmistakable. Now one could assume that phenomena is entirely exterior...produced by something outside of the self. I just don't buy it. If that was the case, then a person shouldn't be able to get rid of it by working on themselves. The phenomena is an extension of the person.

As far as I'm concerned, all phenomena is linked to the psyche. That doesn't mean it isn't "real." It is real in the sense that it can be experienced by individuals and sometimes others around them. But it's "hollow" in that it can't exist, independently. All a person has to do is take back what they put into it. If they don't realize that they're the cause, though, then they'll have to find something else they can believe in more than the phenomena. Much easier just to recognize the power you have over it to begin with.

The problem is you do not understand how the electronics that you use work. You have no idea of how external influences not only can, but actually often do effect electronic devices or how to produce a recording in a way that is not influenced by those external & known & understood outside sources.
So you are unwittingly recording perfectly natural, if unwanted, sources of noise.
Those who use radio waves to listen to, then have the added disadvantage that as I said above. The ionosphere is not stable & other exterior sources also effect what is heard too. Static is not a stable audio source. Clicks, pops, & other strange sounds are perfectly natural & everyday occurrences.
This is not about, is this external or external. It's the fact that people are doing something they know absolutely nothing about & then attempting to claim they hear something..No Sh-- Sherlock. Of course they do. Thats why someone with knowledge laughs at EVP. It's about as credible as Ronald McDonald.
EVERYONE will hear something, FACT.
There are two kinds of noise out there, natural & man made. Both can & will effect recording & listening devices.

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10-27-2016, 07:03 PM
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RE: A deeper look at EVP
(10-22-2016 10:58 AM)Janus Wrote:  
(10-22-2016 09:55 AM)ChaosRose Wrote:  Again, I do have a reasonable amount of personal experience here. I'm not saying pareidolia doesn't happen, but some of the things are unmistakable. Now one could assume that phenomena is entirely exterior...produced by something outside of the self. I just don't buy it. If that was the case, then a person shouldn't be able to get rid of it by working on themselves. The phenomena is an extension of the person.

As far as I'm concerned, all phenomena is linked to the psyche. That doesn't mean it isn't "real." It is real in the sense that it can be experienced by individuals and sometimes others around them. But it's "hollow" in that it can't exist, independently. All a person has to do is take back what they put into it. If they don't realize that they're the cause, though, then they'll have to find something else they can believe in more than the phenomena. Much easier just to recognize the power you have over it to begin with.

The problem is you do not understand how the electronics that you use work. You have no idea of how external influences not only can, but actually often do effect electronic devices or how to produce a recording in a way that is not influenced by those external & known & understood outside sources.
So you are unwittingly recording perfectly natural, if unwanted, sources of noise.
Those who use radio waves to listen to, then have the added disadvantage that as I said above. The ionosphere is not stable & other exterior sources also effect what is heard too. Static is not a stable audio source. Clicks, pops, & other strange sounds are perfectly natural & everyday occurrences.
This is not about, is this external or external. It's the fact that people are doing something they know absolutely nothing about & then attempting to claim they hear something..No Sh-- Sherlock. Of course they do. Thats why someone with knowledge laughs at EVP. It's about as credible as Ronald McDonald.
EVERYONE will hear something, FACT.
There are two kinds of noise out there, natural & man made. Both can & will effect recording & listening devices.

I don't need to know the inner workings of electronics to recognize the voices of dead relatives, and literally the last voicemail message my Father ever left me before he died.

That's not pareidolia or interference.

I don't expect anyone to believe it, but naturally, I'm aware of what happened.

I do think people can be in such a state of grief and survivor guilt that they might be able to manifest phenomena (including EVPs), and I believe that's what happened to me.

I was able to fix the problem, but I had to first realize that it was coming from me.
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