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Invoking elementals
03-06-2016, 06:15 PM
Post: #21
RE: Invoking elementals
There are strange things that are hard to shake off as coincidental for those around me. One about 5 years ago was with an old coworker, we were on night shift. I was seriously trying to get him to help me at some point to dig up the Centralia time capsule{this would have been illegal yes, but nothing ever came of the plan}. Anyway my reason was not to steal it but to save/safe guard it. Its weird to want to dig something up but have no interest in the contents I know. My friend adamantly refused, till our shifts had ended. When he went home and turned on the tv there was a special running on the Centralia time capsule. He came in the next day and told me he didn't care if it was a divine sign he should help me the answer was still no.
The time capsule was to be opened this year but that didn't happen.
http://www.centraliapa.org/centralia-pen...arly-2014/
I don't know if the other person ment to steal it, or if they had felt like I did. I do wonder if we had dug it up{2010-2011} if it would not have been water damaged. My best friend who was to partake thinks its very weird someone else tried to dig it up, she never understood why Id want to dig it up but not care for the contents.

A snip from a thread about a year ago.
(02-18-2015 03:26 PM)Fair_Luminary Wrote:  I wil fully admit it took me years to block out like I do, enough that recently when getting runes read to me it took 3 attempts the first two I drew the stones which i kept pulling out sideways(no clear reading) with me hidden the reader told me. Perdhro is what I drew for myself(first stone) twice(consecutively in both attempts) then the teller tried and Perdhro came up as my future yet. As coincidental things go its funny, but on a spiritual note its bad as I am probably not what I should be. 5/24 runes to draw statistically its maybe negligible that Pedhro really wanted in there, but it makes me think.

This one is long post so I will not put it here.
http://www.talkparanormal.com/showthread.php?tid=20209

Stuff like this unnerved alot of people growing up. More specificly when I did cold Tarot readings. Post 3 by me is one of my accounts.
http://www.talkparanormal.com/showthread...ght=cancer

I could continue with my own accounts but I feel you should understand why people would think Im a witch or something is off with me.

As I said before I don't do rituals/spells. Naturally Im good at shielding, its not uncommon for me to shield others with energy. Its usually no more then a though to do it. Ive never really tried learning more, in part because what MaCan and Akaalis have said. Just because Im aware of entities does not mean its wise to acknowledge them. Ive never really tried a hand at healing, though I am a sounding board to many people{a unpaid psychiatrist in ways lol}. Shielding what I want to is a pain enough without trying to stretch myself farther. And Im not a fan of the idea of "borrowing power" from other entities. Im of the mind that sleeping dogs are best left alone.

One thing to consider is most who sense seem specialized, we are not all the same. Its been suggested to me I sense death because Im suppose to help souls cross. Im just more concerned with keeping things away so I can have some peace. That might be selfish but one does grow tired.

I do agree with MaCan{as Usual Wink} finding out your guardian{s} would be wise. I know Ive at least one watching out for me, I say this because its thought things hang around, shielded as I am its harder to tell what. I do not try and speak with entities as I don't want to encourage interactions.

As for what walks this earth there are many things but its more common to happen across powerful neutral or negative entities then positive ones. I suggest avoiding these entities as these are what MaCan and Akaalis warn you about.

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03-09-2016, 04:01 PM
Post: #22
RE: Invoking elementals
Well, after VERY careful review of all of my PMs that I've received in addition to the posts I've gotten in this thread, I've decided that I'm going to STOP casting circles and summoning entities to either protect my circle or to assist me in any healing rituals. Um, it's just not worth the danger of any of them deciding to hang around my house after I'm finished with any healing ritual that I may have done.Frown

I didn't know (or realize) that my very life would be at risk of doing something as simple as a healing ritual; but, alas - there's NOTHING 'simple' about performing witchcraft, as coming to this site has taught me thus far.

I'm now starting to believe that ANY type of witchcraft or Wicca in general is most likely evil, because of the malevolent type of entities that a practitioner can come in contact with and could inadvertently end up causing to attach to them permanently. Um...no thanks. I have enough problems in my life (seriously) without having demonic spirits roaming through my house just because I wanted to perform a healing ritual for a dying loved one. I guess they'll just have to die sooner than when I wanted them to. They wouldn't want me to endanger my own life, well-being or emotional health just to perform a healing ritual that involved dangerous spirits that may or may NOT have worked for them.

I want to thank everyone who PM'd me about this and those of you who took the time out of their busy lives to respond to all of my posts and threads. In all honesty...I feel really stupid right now. Huh

Here I was...thinking that I could recite a few incantations (with GOOD intentions and lots of respect and hard work) and cast circles and perform healing rituals for someone who I love, thinking that any of the entities that I summoned would have a good and pure spirit and would WANT TO assist me with whatever guidance I needed...when, all along, doing ANY of this would pose a serious and DANGEROUS RISK to my emotional and spiritual health in addition to possibly LOSING MY own LIFE!Blueoh

I want to thank ALL of the people who warned me about this and who didn't hold back with regard to informing me of the possible DANGER(S) I was putting myself in by immersing myself into ANY form of witchcraft - however benign and innocent my intentions were.

Now...I don't know if I should remain here or leave this site. I mean, if I stay here, what reason will I have to stay? I just feel....really FOOLISH and NAIVE right now...I actually feel EMBARRASSED; and I don't even know ANY of you...

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03-09-2016, 04:16 PM
Post: #23
RE: Invoking elementals
Don't feel bad. This site is all about discussion and learning. Stick around. You might meet some friends and make nice conversation.

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03-09-2016, 04:35 PM
Post: #24
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(03-09-2016 04:16 PM)Darkforeboding Wrote:  Don't feel bad. This site is all about discussion and learning. Stick around. You might meet some friends and make nice conversation.

Thanks for your reassuring post, Dark.Icontexto-emoticons-09-032x032 Even though you're older than me, I feel like you can still relate to the stuff I post, which is comforting in a strange way.

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03-09-2016, 05:36 PM
Post: #25
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Wicca or witchcraft is not evil, that is the Christian view. But yes depending what you do there is a cost, either of your own physical energy or something more. I understand wanting to save a loved one, but that is definitely a darker side to magic. Attempting such things I would never recommend.

Death is natural, no matter how much we hate the process. A world without death would loose its meaning. People wouldn't care about anything because it wouldn't matter when you finished something. Great art from old masters would mean nothing. Death reminds us how important everyday we have is to us. Those who leave us don't always go in all forms, some stay on in spirit as guardians. One thing all lost loved ones have in common is they realize yes their life is done and the living must mourn, but they don't want us to mourn them when they are living or for too long after they are gone.

Getting into wicca to change situations of life and death, yes that's a bad reason to get into magic. And don't take this wrong, but its a selfish reason not a selfless one, which is why it would be bad to try. Its situations like that you will cause yourself trouble.

I wouldn't tell you to give up on wicca, but I would suggest you study into the true history. It will take a while but real wicca is a change of life/path not a trend. And the most powerful magic you will not find on the internet.

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03-09-2016, 06:30 PM
Post: #26
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(03-09-2016 05:36 PM)Fair_Luminary Wrote:  Wicca or witchcraft is not evil, that is the Christian view. But yes depending what you do there is a cost, either of your own physical energy or something more. I understand wanting to save a loved one, but that is definitely a darker side to magic. Attempting such things I would never recommend.

Yeah, I got that message - loud and clear. I guess there's no other way I can help the person that I want to save live on this earth a little bit longer.


Quote:Death is natural, no matter how much we hate the process. A world without death would loose its meaning. People wouldn't care about anything because it wouldn't matter when you finished something. Great art from old masters would mean nothing. Death reminds us how important everyday we have is to us.

Yeah, it's easy to say that when it's not YOUR loved one who's dying - but, I get what you're saying and I understand it.


Quote:Those who leave us don't always go in all forms, some stay on in spirit as guardians. One thing all lost loved ones have in common is they realize yes their life is done and the living must mourn, but they don't want us to mourn them when they are living or for too long after they are gone.

That isn't very comforting to know, at least in the short term. Most people would rather have their loved ones with them HERE, in the flesh and in THIS plane of existence - them 'watching over us' in the afterlife after they're DEAD means diddly squat when we're mourning NEVER being able to see and hug them again. But, I understand what you're saying.


Quote:Getting into wicca to change situations of life and death, yes that's a bad reason to get into magic. And don't take this wrong, but its a selfish reason not a selfless one, which is why it would be bad to try. Its situations like that you will cause yourself trouble.

Well, I got into Wicca because I was intrigued by it on a general level; but - once I learned MORE about it, then yeah, I became even more interested in it because I thought I could perform healing rituals that might be able to extend the life of someone that I love and care about. And yes you're right...I guess it IS a selfish reason - because I want them to be on this earth longer so that I can spend MORE time with them.

And, the more I think about the last sentence of your above post, the more I'm inclined to agree with you - because I know that there ARE greedy and selfish entities out there that would LOVE to take advantage of my desire to save my loved one - and THAT, in and of itself, could be VERY dangerous to me. Um, no thanks.


Quote:I wouldn't tell you to give up on wicca, but I would suggest you study into the true history. It will take a while but real wicca is a change of life/path not a trend. And the most powerful magic you will not find on the internet.

Well, at this point, there's no reason for me to continue with researching or learning about Wicca any longer. You say that it's the 'Christian view' that Wicca or witchcraft is "evil". Um, no - it's MY view. With everything I've learned since being on this site (and it hasn't been that long since I've been on here) from members who have PM'd me and those who have contributed to my threads, the writing is on the wall.

I've clearly stepped into a big pile of stuff that I should've absolutely stepped OVER and kept on walking. This is why I feel so foolish right now....I just feel SO naive and so ignorant. I know that there are a gazillion people practicing witchcraft all over the world - and they're still alive and living normal lives without experiencing any negative effects from them practicing magick. I thought I could be one of those people - but, I guess not. Because I'm smart enough NOT to take that risk.

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03-09-2016, 09:08 PM
Post: #27
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I know the coming deaths of all those I love and are blood. I have never resorted to magic to save them, but I have tried warning them. I have been unable to save anyone despite knowing they will die. In that my life is a special type of hell that I would wish on no one.

Depending on what path you take I can't say you will hug your loved ones again but its possible to see them again. No matter the magic you practice intent is key, which includes doing things for selfish or selfless reasons. The road to hell is paved with good intentions after all.

I understand you want to take your anger out on someone right now. But you are also condemning an entire path simply on the prejudices of others. And maybe some anger that you cannot get what you want. I think if you were honest with yourself you would admit you only got into wicca for the chance to save your loved one.

If you are ever level headed enough to learn about other religions here you are welcome. But there is no need to condemn the religion of others, especially when you know nothing about it.

If you choose to hate me so be it, but Im not the type to lie to keep things civil. If your sticking around Id see about getting your user name changed as you no longer support the world of perfect love and perfect trust.

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03-09-2016, 10:37 PM
Post: #28
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(03-09-2016 04:01 PM)Wiccan_Goddess Wrote:  Well, after VERY careful review of all of my PMs that I've received in addition to the posts I've gotten in this thread, I've decided that I'm going to STOP casting circles and summoning entities to either protect my circle or to assist me in any healing rituals. Um, it's just not worth the danger of any of them deciding to hang around my house after I'm finished with any healing ritual that I may have done.Frown

I didn't know (or realize) that my very life would be at risk of doing something as simple as a healing ritual; but, alas - there's NOTHING 'simple' about performing witchcraft, as coming to this site has taught me thus far.

I'm now starting to believe that ANY type of witchcraft or Wicca in general is most likely evil, because of the malevolent type of entities that a practitioner can come in contact with and could inadvertently end up causing to attach to them permanently. Um...no thanks. I have enough problems in my life (seriously) without having demonic spirits roaming through my house just because I wanted to perform a healing ritual for a dying loved one. I guess they'll just have to die sooner than when I wanted them to. They wouldn't want me to endanger my own life, well-being or emotional health just to perform a healing ritual that involved dangerous spirits that may or may NOT have worked for them.

I want to thank everyone who PM'd me about this and those of you who took the time out of their busy lives to respond to all of my posts and threads. In all honesty...I feel really stupid right now. Huh

Here I was...thinking that I could recite a few incantations (with GOOD intentions and lots of respect and hard work) and cast circles and perform healing rituals for someone who I love, thinking that any of the entities that I summoned would have a good and pure spirit and would WANT TO assist me with whatever guidance I needed...when, all along, doing ANY of this would pose a serious and DANGEROUS RISK to my emotional and spiritual health in addition to possibly LOSING MY own LIFE!Blueoh

I want to thank ALL of the people who warned me about this and who didn't hold back with regard to informing me of the possible DANGER(S) I was putting myself in by immersing myself into ANY form of witchcraft - however benign and innocent my intentions were.

Now...I don't know if I should remain here or leave this site. I mean, if I stay here, what reason will I have to stay? I just feel....really FOOLISH and NAIVE right now...I actually feel EMBARRASSED; and I don't even know ANY of you...

I think many of us have made a fool out of ourselves on here at some time or other. You are not deemed stupid to us. Everyone here is learning and find their own path. I completely understand it can be embarrassing to admit when you are misguided.

I think, correct me if I'm wrong, when you got into witchcraft you had this fantasy, a sort of idealism of what it means to be a witch, and you're now finding it's not what you thought it was. I was in that mind frame when I was a teenager. I thought it was just about making potions and casting spells and instilling fear in people.

When I got older and more mature I started to read up on Wicca and tried to incorporate a more positive outlook and take this spiritual path more seriously. It can be confusing on how to go about it. There's always a risk and there are some questionable things that you will inevitably encounter. I was once approached by some guy who was handing out a flier to some gathering for Wiccans. I never went but when he was telling me about he kept walking towards me and I had to keep walking back away from him. I felt like he was trying to corner me. From what he said, this place was at this his house where there are a lot of other people living there and do all this holistic hooey stuff. No offence to anyone, this guy was a quack.

I agree with Fair that Paganism and Wicca and all that is not evil. It's all about how you go about it. The most important rule is the 3 fold rule. Whatever you put out into the universe comes back at you 3 times harder. In other words, karma. Even if you put something out there with good intentions it may back fire if you haven't gone through all the variables and complete understanding of why things happen and the consequences of change.
There's an example I read in a book once. Say you have a farm and you are living next to other farms and everyone is in the middle of a drought. It's impulse to wish upon rain to help your crops. But what about everyone else? If you cast a rain spell on your land you may be acting unintentionally selfish and that can have dire consequences in the future if you're not careful. And you have to think about how much rain is needed and if there are rainstorms that are going to naturally occur in the near future. You may essentially drown your crops and not be able to recover them, resulting in lost profits, less production for customers and it may affect you and everyone for a long time.

Dealing with dying loved ones isn't easy to accept. But you can't manipulate nature in such a way to prevent deaths. Not even doctors and nurses can always be successful at it. Although it can't hurt to do blessings and a light ceremonial honor to them.

From my understanding, old time witches only conduct rituals when needed and they do protective blessings to keep the bad away or at least from possessions. The rest of the time they are experimenting with herbs and continuing their teachings.
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03-20-2016, 06:40 PM
Post: #29
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Fair and Angel, I want to thank you for your insightful words...you both spoke the truth. I have been meditating about this and contemplating both of your posts as well as the other posts that have been made on my thread.

Yes it's true, I delved deeper into Wicca and witchcraft to learn how to do healing rituals for a person that I care for very much who is sick. However, what first interested me in Wicca is how earth-centric it is and that it involves entities and planes of existence which a lot of people don't believe in or scoff at as rubbish.

I always knew (ever since I was little) that there was something much bigger than us human beings...and I wanted to learn a way to tap into that somehow to experience it and to learn from it - but, I will admit that I was naive about all this. I just expected to be able to experience it in a safe type of realm without there ever being anything dangerous about it as long as I did all of the steps as instructed and as long as I respected the entities that I was summoning to help me.

But, thanks to some of you who have taken the time to impart your wisdom regarding casting circles, invoking elementals and warning me about the potential dangers of dealing with entities of all levels, I now have a deeper understanding about this process. I still am very much interested in Wicca. But, I think I'm going to move away from casting circles and doing rituals and instead focus more on continuing to walk this path to learn more about how truly connected I am to this earth and it's elements...and to also experience (and hopefully learn to create) positive magick.

I feel grateful to have found this site and that I came here at the precise time that I did. I don't feel foolish anymore about my naiveté and expectations - I now realize that it's all a part of the learning process.

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03-21-2016, 01:04 PM
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(03-20-2016 06:40 PM)Wiccan_Goddess Wrote:  Fair and Angel, I want to thank you for your insightful words...you both spoke the truth. I have been meditating about this and contemplating both of your posts as well as the other posts that have been made on my thread.

Yes it's true, I delved deeper into Wicca and witchcraft to learn how to do healing rituals for a person that I care for very much who is sick. However, what first interested me in Wicca is how earth-centric it is and that it involves entities and planes of existence which a lot of people don't believe in or scoff at as rubbish.

I always knew (ever since I was little) that there was something much bigger than us human beings...and I wanted to learn a way to tap into that somehow to experience it and to learn from it - but, I will admit that I was naive about all this. I just expected to be able to experience it in a safe type of realm without there ever being anything dangerous about it as long as I did all of the steps as instructed and as long as I respected the entities that I was summoning to help me.

But, thanks to some of you who have taken the time to impart your wisdom regarding casting circles, invoking elementals and warning me about the potential dangers of dealing with entities of all levels, I now have a deeper understanding about this process. I still am very much interested in Wicca. But, I think I'm going to move away from casting circles and doing rituals and instead focus more on continuing to walk this path to learn more about how truly connected I am to this earth and it's elements...and to also experience (and hopefully learn to create) positive magick.

I feel grateful to have found this site and that I came here at the precise time that I did. I don't feel foolish anymore about my naiveté and expectations - I now realize that it's all a part of the learning process.

Just saying the oldest known form of Wicca, Gardenian Wicca, does not believe in alternative planes of existence.
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