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The PseudoScientific Establishment of Parapsychology - Travel to Seattle
07-21-2016, 04:32 AM
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RE: The PseudoScientific Establishment of Parapsychology - Travel to Seattle
Lets look at this, evidence? No video evidence even though you were running cameras. All your evidence happened when the cameras were off?

Next you were the one making big claims about the 666 and how it was being sent off to be analyzed. The fact others recognized it as krylon webbing paint you suddenly change your stance on it.

EVP? what a joke, probably the poorest examples of your claims. The crew scientific? Not in the least. To properly do evp you need to running multiple video cameras with time stamps not only in the home but outside. This is done to explain so many of the sounds and voices you pick up. Oh but wait no one there was looking for the explainable. Next you need to read the manuals of the equipment and notice warnings. Recorders give off and receive radio waves.
Sound recorders can also pick up mechanical sounds that are not heard at the time of recording. These could include tape movements (in analogue recorders), objects brushing against the recorder (or something it is attached to) or the wind or draughts blowing across the microphone. For this reason, people should avoid holding recorders while they are working.
Given the number of possible natural causes for sounds (not noticed at the time of recording), it is not a reasonable basis on which to call the noises paranormal. Even if such noises sound like voices it might simply be that someone spoke and no one remembered it. No matter how the apparent voices arrive, we end up with a recording. To find out if it is paranormal, we need to determine if that recording really is speech.



EVP is the 'electronic voice phenomena'. It consists of apparent voices discovered on sound recordings when none was noticed at the time of the recording. For this reason is commonly considered to be paranormal in origin. However, there are aspects of EVP, to do with how humans understand speech, that are not well-known and raise significant doubts about the existing evidence. This article is a brief introduction to these concerns. For a much more detailed discussion, see here and here (includes sample sounds) .

The popular idea is that EVP represents voices from spirits, or some other unknown entities. Hence EVP's other name - ITC: Instrumental TransCommunication. However, before the idea of communication can be accepted, it must first be established that what is being heard is really voices. Despite the wealth of evidence available, on the web for instance, the matter is by no means finalised.

Voices from nowhere

EVP researchers use various different methods to obtain their recordings. Some dedicated researchers, many of whom have been around for decades, don't use a microphone for their recordings. They may, however, use a white noise generating circuit to obtain source sounds. Other EVP enthusiasts use a microphone in addition to a white noise generator (like tuning a radio between stations). Yet others set up sound recorders in quiet locations to see what they can pick up. In many cases the locations selected are allegedly haunted. Some people have claimed to hear the voices at the time of the recording. The reason these voices are considered paranormal is that the voice did not come from anyone present (though, of course, this doesn't exclude a voice from somewhere outside the building).

EVP recordings tend to share various characteristics. Firstly, they are usually very short, just one word or short phrase. They also all tend to sound similar to each other, unlike normal human voices where you can recognise individuals by the sound of their voice. The voices can sound often sound oddly 'electronic'. Thirdly, the rhythm or speed (faster or slower) of the words is often odd compared to how a normal human being would say it. Fourthly, different people may interpret the same EVP recording as completely different words. Indeed, one person may even change their mind about the words they hear on a particular recording if they haven't heard it for a while. Fifthly, though the apparent words heard in EVP recordings may sometimes appear relevant to the situation (answering a voiced question, for instance) they are often cryptic or quite irrelevant.

There are many natural reasons why a noise may appear on a sound recording even though it wasn't heard at the time. Sound recorders with a microphone fitted can easily pick up sounds that humans can't hear if their sensitivity is set high. This can happen without operator intervention, or even knowledge, due to auto gain circuits fitted to most recorders that increase sensitivity automatically when ambient sound levels are low. Directional microphones may also pick up sounds that humans don't hear if they happened to be pointing towards a faint sound source (equally some sounds may be obvious to the operator but not picked up by the recorder for similar reasons). Even recorders with no microphone fitted may be subject to electromagnetic interference or internal electronic noise.

In addition some sounds, though perfectly audible (and picked up by multiple recorders in the area at once) at the time of recording, may not noticed by operators simply because they didn't appear to be voices. Such 'noise' may only sound more 'voice-like' when subject to intense scrutiny later, when the recording is reviewed. Faint sounds, even real voices, may also be missed, at the time of recording, because people get used to background noise levels after a few minutes of exposure (habituation) and subsequently only hear loud things.

Sound recorders can also pick up mechanical sounds that are not heard at the time of recording. These could include tape movements (in analogue recorders), objects brushing against the recorder (or something it is attached to) or the wind or draughts blowing across the microphone. For this reason, people should avoid holding recorders while they are working.

Some EVP researchers argue that if voices are below the frequency range that people can speak, it must indicate a paranormal origin. While it certainly demonstrates that our brains are flexible enough interpret sound as speech sounds outside the normal spoken frequency range, it doesn't prove a paranormal origin (or even that the sound is speech).

How do we know a noise is human speech?

When you listen to a sound recording, all you hear is the amplitude and frequency of the sound. Unless you recognise what is causing the sound its origin will remain unknown. Given the number of possible natural causes for sounds (not noticed at the time of recording), it is not a reasonable basis on which to call the noises paranormal. Even if such noises sound like voices it might simply be that someone spoke and no one remembered it. No matter how the apparent voices arrive, we end up with a recording. To find out if it is paranormal, we need to determine if that recording really is speech.

EVP recordings are often labeled or introduced, so that listeners know in advance their generally accepted interpretation. Unfortunately, this widely used practice introduces a strong element of psychological suggestion which virtually forces the mind of the listener to 'hear' it. When recordings are given to listeners without knowing what to expect, interpretations often vary widely. This is because, in many cases, it is difficult to make out what is being said, if anything. It might be best to play people fairly lengthy recordings, with some EVP in them somewhere, and merely ask people what they think they can hear! They may decide that a section of EVP is just noise. However, even playing such lengthy extracts can have its problems.

Suppose you are played a recording where someone asks a ghost a question. The questioner hears no answer at the time but there is a faint noise found soon after the question on the recording. When listening to the playback, many people will unconsciously turn the noise not simply into a faint voice but also into an apparently appropriate answer! If someone asks 'is there anyone there', your brain will immediately start expecting the answer 'yes'! And yet, someone hearing only the 'noise' bit of the recording, with no knowledge of the preceding question, may hear it as 'deaf' of 'bell' or simply a noise! Even though no one has told the listener what to expect, the question, and they very fact it is asked, have made psychological suggestion a major factor.

Then the central question becomes this - how do we humans decide that a particular sound is human speech? How do we differentiate between the sound of a gate slamming, a piece of music, a static hum and a human voice? Most people would say that it is obvious - we recognise words! Unfortunately, it is all too easy into fooling human brains into hearing 'voices' when it is just noise. Telling someone they are about to hear a voice does this rather well!

How we understand speech

The human brain is hard-wired to find combinations of integer harmonic frequencies pleasing (which may explain why we enjoy music). Combined integer harmonic sounds are two or more separate tones, heard at the same time, where their frequencies are related by a simple integer ratio. For instance, the two frequencies 1000 Hz and 2000 Hz heard together would be an combined integer harmonic because 2000 Hz is exactly twice 1000 Hz. Human speech uses such simple harmonic tones to construct the sounds in words. In speech the harmonic ratios are typically numbers like 2/5 , 1/2, 1/3 etc. These tones heard together are called formants. Formants are discrete sounds within a word, equating to phonemes in phonetics. Instead of hearing the two tones combined a single musical note, our brain interprets the sound as a discrete sound within a word instead. So, for instance, the 'O' sound might typically consist of a 500 Hz and 1000 Hz frequency combination.

The only information we get from our ears is the amplitude, frequency and time of arrival of sounds. It is left entirely to our brains to interpret what the sounds are, relying mainly on experience, context and expectation. The brain generally interprets sounds in one of three 'modes'. In one mode it interprets a sound as random noise. In another mode the same sound appears to be music. In the third mode, the same sound becomes speech. Some people, 'amusical' individuals, do not enjoy music. They just hear noise. They are, effectively, missing the 'music mode'.

How does the brain decide how to interpret a sound? It is largely a matter of expectation. If we hear tones from a musical scale, particularly set to a fixed rhythm, we are likely to hear it is as music. If we hear sounds with the typical frequency range and rhythms of speech we will probably try to interpret the sound as words. If we do not hear a sound as music or speech, we will hear it in its raw state, as a mixture of frequencies.

Hearing is not always believing

If we are listening to someone in a noisy situation we may not hear all the words. Our brains will 'fill in' the gaps with likely words, sometimes wrong, based on expectation. We will actually hear and remember 'filled in' words even if they are wrong. The words we hear are produced in our brains, not our ears.

In the phoneme restoration effect, someone is played a recording of a spoken sentence where one word is replaced by white noise of the same duration. And yet, people still 'hear' the missing word. Their brain has inserted it using context and expectation. In the verbal transformation effect, someone is played a word repeatedly. After many repeats, the word turns into another with a similar sound structure ('truce' may transform to 'truth', for instance). These effects, together with other scientific evidence, demonstrate that the brain decides what it hears based on experience, context and expectation. This explains why EVP recordings, which are often very noisy, can be interpreted differently by different individuals. Your ear hears sounds but only your brain hears words.

Noise that sounds like speech

Almost any simple noise, like white noise, can sound like speech if the person listening to it is in 'speech mode'. The more voice-like features in the noise (such as frequencies and rhythm), the more people will interpret it as words. If there are peaks in the frequency spectrum of the noise that happen, by chance, to form a harmonic ratio, as in formants, there is a much higher chance it will sound like speech. If there are variations in the overall amplitude of the sound giving a rhythm, similar to words in human speech, that will also greatly increase the chances of its being interpreted as a voice. Also, if the spectrum envelope of the sound (the overall frequency range) is restricted to that typical of a human voice, the illusion of speech is increased. The actual frequencies of the harmonics and the spectrum envelope don't have to be identical to normal human speech. Research has shown that people still understand speech even when it has been frequency shifted.

Noise with these sort of characteristics is called 'formant noise' and it can sound uncannily like real speech. It can be good enough to trip the brain into 'speech mode'. Though the apparent formants may make no sense (as they are noise, not words), our brains will work hard to turn the result into recognizable words. That's because they use a 'top-down' process to processing speech, trying to fit likely words to the apparent formants present. It explains why, with formant noise, you never 'hear' partial words. The words come from your brain, not the sound, and are made to fit the noise. In the same way, whole phrases can emerge. You may need to listen to formant noise several times to fix the phrase as your brain tries various likely alternatives. If someone tells you beforehand what the 'words' are meant to be, you will often hear it straight away. And lets face it you not only tell people what to hear but time stamp when.

So your demon evidence?

Now lets look at so called demon cases, why is so much fraud, lies surrounding them? Now lets look at how hard you are trying to convince people, so many sites you are pimping yourself. but look at how many banned you. How many figured out the bovine scatology.
There will be a few who believe but its refreshing to see people who actually use common sense and critical thinking to figure you out.

Now the experts. Expert in what? It sure isn't paranormal investigation. It looks like people wanting to be famous and on television.

Oh but you needed to go 10,000 miles to find them? With so many top skeptics that would of investigated here in the US oh but they would use facts and science and expose the bogus claims.

Belief bias occurs when we make illogical conclusions in order to confirm our preexisting beliefs. Belief perseverance refers to our tendency to maintain a belief even after the evidence we used to form the belief is contradicted.
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07-21-2016, 10:29 AM (This post was last modified: 09-21-2016 12:16 PM by UglyNRude.)
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RE: The PseudoScientific Establishment of Parapsychology - Travel to Seattle
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Don't take this personal because its not. The need to debate and respond with you is pointless. If you haven't found the evidence by now its due to your lack of not trying. This topic and by topic I mean this discussion (thread) is littered with video evidence. Its littered with EVP. Its littered with the Scientific Establishments........1st finding. Its littered with interviews by Steve. By Don. By Nick Kyle of the SSPR. Its littered with interview by witnesses (which are other paranormal teams).

I don't pay these people. No one's beholden to me. They come in and investigate and report what they find. You my friend are just too dense to read, comb, and accept it. So on that note consider yourself invisible to me. Brush off your Skeptic crown and feel free to parade that among the members. I will do me (post and share evidence as it becomes available). The S.E.P complete report when done will be shared as well. I can 200% guarantee you wont like it. U will debunk it. Honestly I think you'll debunk your own birth name if it wasn't for the fact that it was written on a birth certificate. And maybe you do. Wouldn't surprise me.

To the rest of you ( below are some of the claims ) and below is some of the commentary of those who ventured in our house and found activity.
Enjoy. I will be sharing more info and evidence soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPT-D2Fz3uU (NEW)
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07-21-2016, 11:41 AM
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RE: The PseudoScientific Establishment of Parapsychology - Travel to Seattle
and either you are delusional or an out right fraud. You seem to have a reason for trying to promote this with nothing that will stand up as proof of anything. The evp's are a joke and the other claims that are never captured on video scream faked. Now are you the faker or is Tina whizzing you. Remember you can cash in and makes hundreds of thousands of dollars for presenting proof. Guess that will never happen.

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07-22-2016, 08:35 AM (This post was last modified: 07-22-2016 08:43 AM by Nix.)
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Is EVP paranormal?

The existence of formant noise does not mean EVP is not paranormal. However, it does means that precautions need to be observed when recording, processing and listening to EVP to avoid formant noise. For instance:

Recording EVP

use a good sound recorder in high quality mode - some EVP recordings have a restricted frequency range due to equipment limitations or using low quality or economy modes
put the recorder down and don't touch it or anything in contact with it during recordings - to avoid accidental mechanical noises
avoid file compressing sound files - compression and use of lossy formats can alter noise
use two different model recorders together - to avoid internal noise or susceptibilities peculiar to a particular model of recorder
use multiple sound recorders together at a particular location - this will allow both a chance to locate the source of the sound (through triangulation) and, by comparing recordings, it may be possible to identify what it is (whether voice or not)?*
* Many people who have tried using multiple recorders for EVP have reported that they typically turn up only on one recorder. This has been taken as a sign that the source is paranormal. However, it might also indicate a faint natural sound source near just one recorder, which would also explain why it was not heard at the time of recording!

Well, I believe this is an excerpt from the article you shared UnR. Interesting that you didn't just share the link. Maybe because of that one liner "does not mean EVP is not paranormal." Or maybe I read that wrong, who knows.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w...0DzgRPLzAA
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07-22-2016, 08:49 AM
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(07-22-2016 08:35 AM)Nix Wrote:  Is EVP paranormal?

The existence of formant noise does not mean EVP is not paranormal. However, it does means that precautions need to be observed when recording, processing and listening to EVP to avoid formant noise. For instance:

Recording EVP

use a good sound recorder in high quality mode - some EVP recordings have a restricted frequency range due to equipment limitations or using low quality or economy modes
put the recorder down and don't touch it or anything in contact with it during recordings - to avoid accidental mechanical noises
avoid file compressing sound files - compression and use of lossy formats can alter noise
use two different model recorders together - to avoid internal noise or susceptibilities peculiar to a particular model of recorder
use multiple sound recorders together at a particular location - this will allow both a chance to locate the source of the sound (through triangulation) and, by comparing recordings, it may be possible to identify what it is (whether voice or not)?*
* Many people who have tried using multiple recorders for EVP have reported that they typically turn up only on one recorder. This has been taken as a sign that the source is paranormal. However, it might also indicate a faint natural sound source near just one recorder, which would also explain why it was not heard at the time of recording!

Well, I believe this is an expert from the article you shared UnR. Interesting that you didn't just share the link. Maybe because of that one liner "does not mean EVP is not paranormal." Or maybe I read that wrong, who knows.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w...0DzgRPLzAA

I post assap articles and links all the time but they are ignored as people want to believe without looking for answers.

In this case the original posters claim of his team brought in being scientific was a laugh. No controls were used and no video was used to debunk the sounds. He also broke protocol by telling you what YOU should hear and when. You also announce while doing evp work who is in the home and every noise like talking, coughing, sneezing, stomach noises, as well as cars driving by animals barking. But in this case they want the attention so everything is paranormal.

and Nix your experience with evp is?
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07-22-2016, 09:38 AM
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Seeing you wanted links to assap how about this one as it kind of covers what you experienced.
Science in paranormal investigation

Most evidence for the paranormal is anecdotal. This means that someone has related it as an experience. That's not to imply that they are lying or misremembering, simply that their experience is subjective. Anecdotal evidence has its place but there must always be other kinds as well before a subject can become scientific. Unfortunately, many subjective experiences are a result of the way the brain works (see also here). Even when experiences are objective, they are frequently misreported.

http://www.assap.ac.uk/newsite/htmlfiles...plied.html
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07-22-2016, 09:52 AM
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I never said I wanted the link. Just that you should share the entire article you are copying and sharing. I will admit I had to re-read it as at first I thought you had actually written something. But thanks for another informative article. : )
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07-22-2016, 01:26 PM
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Seems Keith L took his ball and went home.

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07-22-2016, 01:55 PM
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Interesting. People can come to a web forum. Login even. But they appear inept to go to a provided URL. As Spock would say.

[undefined=undefined]Fascinating ! [/undefined] (raised eye brow).
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07-22-2016, 05:01 PM
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Don't you have a random video of an evp in a noisy room to upload?

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