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'GOD ISN'T FIXING THIS'
04-01-2016, 06:20 PM
Post: #21
RE: 'GOD ISN'T FIXING THIS'
ahhh bullied now we see where the paranormal beliefs come from.

Belief bias occurs when we make illogical conclusions in order to confirm our preexisting beliefs. Belief perseverance refers to our tendency to maintain a belief even after the evidence we used to form the belief is contradicted.
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04-01-2016, 06:44 PM
Post: #22
RE: 'GOD ISN'T FIXING THIS'
(04-01-2016 06:20 PM)UglyNRude Wrote:  ahhh bullied now we see where the paranormal beliefs come from.

Seems a little harsh... I got the feces beat out of me as a kid by my father on a regular basis, had the opposite effect, not sure there is a correlation.
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04-01-2016, 06:48 PM
Post: #23
RE: 'GOD ISN'T FIXING THIS'
(04-01-2016 06:44 PM)Krister Wrote:  
(04-01-2016 06:20 PM)UglyNRude Wrote:  ahhh bullied now we see where the paranormal beliefs come from.

Seems a little harsh... I got the feces beat out of me as a kid by my father on a regular basis, had the opposite effect, not sure there is a correlation.

http://bullyonline.org/old/related/paranorm.htm

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04-01-2016, 06:55 PM (This post was last modified: 04-01-2016 07:07 PM by Nix.)
Post: #24
RE: 'GOD ISN'T FIXING THIS'
Well, according to UglyNRude I can't remove myself without Caretakers help. I will say this, you are ugly and you are rude. So what if I was bullied by mean little people like yourself? Does that mean I suffer from delusions or hallucinations because of it? You are a sad person that I wouldn't want to meet in real life.
(04-01-2016 06:48 PM)UglyNRude Wrote:  
(04-01-2016 06:44 PM)Krister Wrote:  
(04-01-2016 06:20 PM)UglyNRude Wrote:  ahhh bullied now we see where the paranormal beliefs come from.

Seems a little harsh... I got the feces beat out of me as a kid by my father on a regular basis, had the opposite effect, not sure there is a correlation.

http://bullyonline.org/old/related/paranorm.htm

I'm not sure how long you have been on this forum, but UglyNRude likes to treat people like they are ignorant. He only gets away with it because he is a moderator. He didn't have the guts to debate me as you did, and you ended up being on the receiving end of my frustration. I actually received a message on here from another member complimenting me for sticking up to UglyNRude.
So apparently his rude ways aren't just another "hallucination" of mine. Lol
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04-01-2016, 07:16 PM (This post was last modified: 04-01-2016 07:24 PM by Krister.)
Post: #25
RE: 'GOD ISN'T FIXING THIS'
(04-01-2016 06:48 PM)UglyNRude Wrote:  
(04-01-2016 06:44 PM)Krister Wrote:  
(04-01-2016 06:20 PM)UglyNRude Wrote:  ahhh bullied now we see where the paranormal beliefs come from.

Seems a little harsh... I got the feces beat out of me as a kid by my father on a regular basis, had the opposite effect, not sure there is a correlation.

http://bullyonline.org/old/related/paranorm.htm

That website seems less than legitimate, is not exactly well cited, the author's name for that article is not even given despite phrases like "my experience and research" nor the author's credentials and source material either relates solely to trauma or is hidden behind a 90$ book paywall with a cursory search.

The latter appears to be written by two Professors from a Carolina university unaffiliated with that website, they have Phd's, bonus, but it was written in 1994, has anyone else been able to back up or corroborate their findings (which I was not even able to see) since that time?

Just seems like a bizarre link.

Not to mention all the crazy conspiracy talk on it, and this excerpt:

"Gifted individuals may, knowingly or unknowingly, be part of a greater plan which our denial mechanisms have hitherto prevented us perceiving."

I do not even...
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04-01-2016, 08:06 PM
Post: #26
RE: 'GOD ISN'T FIXING THIS'
I just grabbed a quick link but there are many that use bullying, ptsd as causing many irrational ways of dealing with life.
http://health.hpcl.co.in/Health/news/lat...p?id=50831

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04-01-2016, 10:17 PM (This post was last modified: 04-01-2016 10:21 PM by Taoist.)
Post: #27
RE: 'GOD ISN'T FIXING THIS'
(04-01-2016 08:36 AM)Nix Wrote:  
(04-01-2016 07:58 AM)UglyNRude Wrote:  Maybe when people stop using god as a fix all people will stop posting about it.
Feel evil? call a priest.
How often do we see someone ask for prayer when someone is sick? Daily? oh wait thats ok.... its ok to push beliefs on others

Your pushing your beliefs on others, I'm not.



Nix:


Well put. But, you have to understand that...."Mr. fugly dude / ugly and rude is simply a 16 year old boy with much internal conflict and family strife that causes him to explode on others here and other places where he can judge others with little retaliation. as he is comig from a place of immaturity and confusion and deep insecurity, he cannot understand these things of a higher nature of a spiritual nature. These things are foreign to him and in his ego dominated attitude, he is frustrated with his life and living situation and merely takes out these inner frustrations on you and others who would listen to his ramblings and aberrations.

He appears to be coming from a place of..."Mental ego projections" and is not truly listening with others, unless those others somehow agree with him and appear to validate his perceptions, which makes him feel more....worthy and approved of, which he does not appear to receive from his parents and therefore, he is searching for this in others, like you.

Therefore, you cannot have a normal conversation here because one of the individuals here is not interacting but merely....Projecting his own perceptions and desires. He cannot hear you or others.


Maybe you can offer him more personal conversations which might lead to a better understanding on his part.

As you do have a strong Mother energy around you and this is felt by him intuitively, but he is not consciously aware of this.
Mainly because...he does not trust his intuition.

I do sense a potential for you and him to have a meaningful conversation though. As he is not an evil or bad kid, merely lost in his own ego dramas.

Something to ponder.


A kind, loving and sensitive Mother symbol appears to be the most effective aspect which he needs, at this time.


Good luck.




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04-01-2016, 10:48 PM
Post: #28
RE: 'GOD ISN'T FIXING THIS'
What the heck, now that I've read through this entire thread I might as well weigh in.

(04-01-2016 11:51 AM)Krister Wrote:  It is not mental illness, it is religious fervor. I am sure some of them are definitely mentally ill, but others are just doing what they were taught to do by people they trust for a divine authority.

Then again perhaps that is a strong case for insanity.

It is not easy to debate religion with a believer without implying that they are somehow not intelligent.

No matter what you say you are still attacking something they have believed in for a very long time. Something they have likely questioned and re-evaluated at different intervals and then decided to stick with. The greater the amount of time they have believed and re-affirmed this ideal the greater the perceived insult will be, and not just to them, but to those who initially instilled it in them, usually their parents while they were just children, the most vulnerable and gullible stage of their lives. So not only have you insulted them and their parents but you have also made them feel like children again, getting duped by an older sibling about a monster under their bed.

It is a no win scenario, but so is a never ending stream of suicide bombers perpetuated by an extremely narrow rendition of a belief in an un-provable invisible wizard in the sky. Sometimes all that is left is to scream at the universes' insanity and then cry.

And also this copied text:

That is very true, most live fairly secular lives, but those righteous words are still there, and a drum can be made to beat to them at any time and turn a moderate into a holy warrior in a time of political or economic crisis <snip the rest.>

Answering from bottom to top.

So what is so bad about righteous words being a drum beat to turn a moderate into a holy warrior SO LONG AS THERE IS A LEGITIMATE CAUSE? The examples that I snipped at the end were not good representative examples, in my opinion. I feel a more appropriate example might be defeating a totalitarian. extremist government that is invading neighboring sovereign countries. Or another example might be declaring independence from an oppressive government.

The previous passage I'm not really sure what you are trying to say or where to begin commenting on it. You seem to give a person of faith the credit of having rethought their belief but then conclude that their thinking is always flawed and in every case would have been better just to trash their previous convictions and become a completely different person. The connotation of the passage is that they are mistaken for listening to the teaching of their elders, which is always false. Then you equate it to being a suicide bomber and trivialize belief in a God or gods.

Let's just say I don't agree in all cases.

Then the first two paragraphs (or I should say one paragraph and one line) again equates religious belief with mental illness and insanity, something that I feel no responsible mental health authority would ever do.

You go too far. I understand that you don't wish to believe in a higher power and that you shun organized religion. That is a personal preference. To vilify everyone of all religions is a non sequitur.

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Believer: Black cats are bad luck.
Non-believer: It's just a cat.
Crackpot: Black cats are part of the New World Order government conspiracy.
Skeptic: I can test if black cats are more or less lucky than another cat.
Cynic: You only have a black cat to gain power and prestige.

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04-03-2016, 02:35 PM
Post: #29
RE: 'GOD ISN'T FIXING THIS'
So this is why I saw (No longer registered) under Nix' name.

Religion causes strife. In fact, most wars usually start because someone bad mouths another religion or belief. So deep in their religion/belief that one could immediately become violent when absolute correct information is presented against their claim. This happens on both sides depending on how deep one is.

First and foremost, religion is blind. It's a blind because they have to live in a world being persecuted by believing in a higher power without tangible evidence. Likewise to religion, atheism is also blind. Not believing in the unknown and of a higher power than us seems ignorant and rather egotistical. They will always butt heads. In fact, lets call them buttheads because both of them are the opposite cheek on a butt and whatever comes out between them is entirely biased crap anyways and then the butthurt ensues afterwards. Though, that is my opinion.

However, I am going to side on the following. You cannot put all your problems on someone/something else and hope it fixes itself. If it's a massive problem, you need to man up and fix the problem yourself. If you consistently rely on someone else to fix your problems, then your life will always be compounded with problems left and right all because of a belief that you have and the initial problem snowballs. People who have the belief and religion seem to forget about honor. Honoring yourself through your belief allows you the things your desire and your sacrifice proves you are worthy of your belief. You cannot just allow your belief to fix everything for you. It's folly. Although, you can have your God and your beliefs but you shouldn't press them onto people.

While on the other hand, one who believes nothing greater than ourselves is just pure egomania. As of right now, we are alone in the universe. There is no definitive proof that there are other beings traveling out in space. There isn't anything wrong with not believing anything is there but some atheists find it hilarious and fun to find religious people and cut them down for their beliefs. If you don't want them to spoil your faith free life then maybe you shouldn't pick on them for having something to believe in, in the first place.

Quit being buttheads.

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09-28-2017, 11:43 AM
Post: #30
RE: 'GOD ISN'T FIXING THIS'
(04-01-2016 11:51 AM)Krister Wrote:  
(04-01-2016 07:10 AM)Nix Wrote:  Ugh, more anti-religion propaganda. Why does everyone want to blame God for the things men do? I believe God gave us free will, otherwise we would be like robots. How loving would that be, to give life but no control? It wouldn't.

I think that is the message the tag line 'God isn't fixing this' is trying to portray, that only our will shall fix the problem.

(04-01-2016 07:10 AM)Nix Wrote:  Unfortunately this world is riddled with mentally ill people.

It is not mental illness, it is religious fervor. I am sure some of them are definitely mentally ill, but others are just doing what they were taught to do by people they trust for a divine authority.

Then again perhaps that is a strong case for insanity.

(04-01-2016 07:10 AM)Nix Wrote:  It truly befuddles me why people who don't believe in God try to find ways to discredit his existence.

I do not think anyone said it did not exist, just that it appears to have no interest in fixing this particular issue, despite many believing and appealing for it to do so.

(04-01-2016 10:20 AM)Nix Wrote:  And yes, more and more people are choosing not to believe in God for their own reasons. Does that make me sad? Yes. But it doesn't give me the right to belittle others.

I think all three books of the major Judeo-Christian-Islamic faiths would disagree with you and that it does give you varying degrees of scorn which you can level upon unbelievers, depending on the book. Of course they each have other parts which will say to do the opposite as well, standard religious double talk. It is almost like they were written by several different people who were making things up to fit their geo-political viewpoints and giving to them a god's authority.

(04-01-2016 10:20 AM)Nix Wrote:  There's a difference in sharing your facts vs. presenting them in a way that is meant to make the other person feel less intelligent.

It is not easy to debate religion with a believer without implying that they are somehow not intelligent.

No matter what you say you are still attacking something they have believed in for a very long time. Something they have likely questioned and re-evaluated at different intervals and then decided to stick with. The greater the amount of time they have believed and re-affirmed this ideal the greater the perceived insult will be, and not just to them, but to those who initially instilled it in them, usually their parents while they were just children, the most vulnerable and gullible stage of their lives. So not only have you insulted them and their parents but you have also made them feel like children again, getting duped by an older sibling about a monster under their bed.

It is a no win scenario, but so is a never ending stream of suicide bombers perpetuated by an extremely narrow rendition of a belief in an un-provable invisible wizard in the sky. Sometimes all that is left is to scream at the universes' insanity and then cry.

One of the most elegant ways i have seen this put. I love it.
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