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Jesus never existed
03-10-2016, 09:06 AM (This post was last modified: 03-10-2016 09:10 AM by Darkforeboding.)
Post: #81
RE: Jesus never existed
(03-10-2016 05:36 AM)albie Wrote:  >>Heresay evidence is not admissible in a court of law. I can show you an equal number of people that believe in Jesus.

(1)Exactly. Jesus is hearsay and yet you believe. You really don't get it do you. No wonder you believe in such nonsense.

>>Do you even read your own statements before you hit the 'enter' button? Your logic here is that you weren't making fun of someone but that you were making fun of them.

(2)I was making fun of something other than what you accused. You really don't get how weak your arguments are. No wonder you believe in Jesus and his nonsense.

>>Litters is also an appropriate word. So why aren't you quoting Socrates and Da Vinci in this argument? Wait, they were hundreds of years ago and we don't know who they were or what tests they passed.

(3)Oh, so Socrates and Da Vinci is litter now? No wonder you believe nonsense.

>>I have no doubt that you have learned things by reading a book.

This isn't economics. Feel superior if you want, but I'm not prone to straying from the subject of this discussion. YOU discount other people's experiences but believe fantastic ideas yourself. You insist that my belief means that I can't criticize anyone else's experience. I'll just put it this way and use small words so you can understand. Don't tell me what I can and can't do.

(4)YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW A SIMPLE THING LIKE THAT?

It was Alan Greenspan when he was head of the federal reserve. He got rid of the regulations over banks and banks were then allowed to give loans to just about anyone. No charge for the lesson.

>>Don't tell me what I can and can't do.

(5)It's not me who's telling you not to judge people. It's your own bible...

"Judge not, that ye be not judged."

Matthew 7:1-3King James Version

You didn't even know a simple thing like that? Wow.

>>Sure I believe it. The donkey was actually a shape changing alien reptile sent by the reptile overlords to control the path of civilization. Look up the word 'sarcasm.' You keep using that word. I don't believe it means what you think it means.

(6)Avoiding answering the question AGAIN. Pathetic. Your arguments are so weak yet you act like you are making massive statements. You don't fool me. I know you're struggling here. Smile

>>To paraphrase Mark Twain, you don't need to eat an entire apple to know that it's rotten.

(7)Books are different. You need to read the entire thing to get a fair assessment of it. You didn't even know that? No wonder you believe in a talking donkey.

To sum up: your arguments are weak. You criticise books you haven't read. You avoid answering embarrassing questions about your own beliefs. IN all, a win for me...AGAIN.

(1) So you criticize my religion as heresay and yet provide your own heresay evidence. You didn't tell me YOU had seen someone transform into a reptile. You didn't even tell me David Icke had seen someone turn into a reptile. You tell me that people told David Icke that they had seen someone turn into a reptile which he then wrote in a book and you read it. For some reason you think that is superior evidence.

(2)So you admit you were making fun of her, which was my point.

(3) By your definition Socrates didn't exist. There are no government records of his birth, life, or death. He did not write anything himself. The only evidence we have of his existence is the copies of the writings of his disciples. If Jesus doesn't exist for those reasons, neither does Socrates. David Icke, then, makes a mistake when quoting him.

(4) That's nice. You're still avoiding the subject of this discussion.

(5) Flawed logic for several reasons. Me telling you not to tell me what to do is not judging you. You don't believe the Bible anyway, so why quote it back to me? If you did believe the Bible and are telling me I should do what it says then you are judging me for not adhering.

(6) You asked me if I believe that Balaam's donkey spoke. My first sentence was "Sure, I believe it." How is that not answering the question? Struggling? Yes, I'm struggling not to laugh.

When I was a pre-schooler I thought it was great fun to pour salt on a garden slug. Eventually I realized it was just a waste of salt. Other people think a slug is fit for the table in a French restaurant. I think they are only fit for crawling in the dirt and leaving icky trails.

(7) Samuel Clemens made that quote in reference to a book. Argue with him.

You claim I don't even know things. There are none so blind as those who will not see. I'm guessing you know where the Bible says that.

-DFB

Subject: I have a black cat.
Believer: Black cats are bad luck.
Non-believer: It's just a cat.
Crackpot: Black cats are part of the New World Order government conspiracy.
Skeptic: I can test if black cats are more or less lucky than another cat.
Cynic: You only have a black cat to gain power and prestige.

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03-11-2016, 06:44 AM
Post: #82
RE: Jesus never existed
(02-25-2016 07:41 AM)Darkforeboding Wrote:  Okay, Albie, I'll give you a Christmas present in February. Even though I've already given you the ball and you still haven't run with it, I'll give you a push. Yes, I believe Jesus walked on the water. What else can I throw in? How about if I told you I believe there was a literal Adam and Eve? Noah built a huge, wooden boat and two of every animal appeared miraculously and walked up the gangplank. Moses parted the Red Sea. The sun stood still in the sky while the nation of Israel fought a battle. David knocked out a giant with a rock and a sling. Ezekiel saw a wheel within a wheel over Solomon's Temple. Jesus was born of a virgin, healed people, got crucified, then came to life three days later.

Now lets see if you can graduate to second grade and show that I've discounted someone else's experience.

Depending on the version of the Bible Id like to note some points. Adam and Eve by some were the only people, but there are indications they were not the only people and were created to be the direct line of Jesus Christ.

There have been claims they have found what may have been Noahs Ark. I personally don't believe the Ark would survive over the centuries as the top of a mountain is not an environment were the wood would be well preserved{as in petrified, or dried out like a desert}. What I will note that some versions vary in Noah was to take seven of the "clean" animals but only two of each of the "unclean".

In the story of Moses Ive always wondered if it was due to a Tsunami caused by an earthquake.

The sun standing still, may have been more of a metaphor{there are definitely alot of those in the bible}.

David and Goliath? People on average were shorter then now back in the day. Someone deemed insanely tall can easily turn into "a giant". As with John Middleton https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Middleton_(giant)
Or the tallest verified in our times Robert Wadlow{8 ft 11.1inches} http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/worl...-man-ever/ can a stone flung in the right place kill someone yes, its certainly plausible.

I feel at this point the basic pattern is evident. Within all good tellings we can see bits and pieces of the original. Do I think the Bible is completely true myself? No, but Im smart enough to see its connections to other religions as well as older mythologies. Those universal lessons across humanity, those are the ones I have faith in. But isn't that the point of faith?

As for albie you one stated that your name was a shortening of Albatross I feel you are living up to your name here. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albatross_(metaphor)

Dark dear I know its fun to feed trolls now and again but its definitely a dead horse issue, its not worth wasting your time further @}~;~

So on that peace!
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03-11-2016, 08:58 AM
Post: #83
RE: Jesus never existed
(03-11-2016 06:44 AM)Fair_Luminary Wrote:  
(02-25-2016 07:41 AM)Darkforeboding Wrote:  Okay, Albie, I'll give you a Christmas present in February. Even though I've already given you the ball and you still haven't run with it, I'll give you a push. Yes, I believe Jesus walked on the water. What else can I throw in? How about if I told you I believe there was a literal Adam and Eve? Noah built a huge, wooden boat and two of every animal appeared miraculously and walked up the gangplank. Moses parted the Red Sea. The sun stood still in the sky while the nation of Israel fought a battle. David knocked out a giant with a rock and a sling. Ezekiel saw a wheel within a wheel over Solomon's Temple. Jesus was born of a virgin, healed people, got crucified, then came to life three days later.

Now lets see if you can graduate to second grade and show that I've discounted someone else's experience.

Depending on the version of the Bible Id like to note some points. Adam and Eve by some were the only people, but there are indications they were not the only people and were created to be the direct line of Jesus Christ.

There have been claims they have found what may have been Noahs Ark. I personally don't believe the Ark would survive over the centuries as the top of a mountain is not an environment were the wood would be well preserved{as in petrified, or dried out like a desert}. What I will note that some versions vary in Noah was to take seven of the "clean" animals but only two of each of the "unclean".

In the story of Moses Ive always wondered if it was due to a Tsunami caused by an earthquake.

The sun standing still, may have been more of a metaphor{there are definitely alot of those in the bible}.

David and Goliath? People on average were shorter then now back in the day. Someone deemed insanely tall can easily turn into "a giant". As with John Middleton https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Middleton_(giant)
Or the tallest verified in our times Robert Wadlow{8 ft 11.1inches} http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/worl...-man-ever/ can a stone flung in the right place kill someone yes, its certainly plausible.

I feel at this point the basic pattern is evident. Within all good tellings we can see bits and pieces of the original. Do I think the Bible is completely true myself? No, but Im smart enough to see its connections to other religions as well as older mythologies. Those universal lessons across humanity, those are the ones I have faith in. But isn't that the point of faith?

As for albie you one stated that your name was a shortening of Albatross I feel you are living up to your name here. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albatross_(metaphor)

Dark dear I know its fun to feed trolls now and again but its definitely a dead horse issue, its not worth wasting your time further @}~;~

So on that peace!
,;,drops the mic and walks away,;,
Thanks for the comments, F_L, it's a nice break to the monotony.

Yes, the Exodus story has supporters that think it happened at the same time as the volcanic eruption that destroyed the Minoan civilization. That would account for things like the darkness, hail that burned on the ground and the parting of the Red Sea. It's been known for a while that the passage translated as "Red Sea" should actually have been "Reed Sea" which was a marshy area near the Red Sea. Finding a dry pathway through a marsh is completely believable.

Somewhere at the end of this discussion I was going to point out that there are, within the Christian belief, people that believe that Old Testament scripture was completely mythological. These people, including priests within the Roman Catholic Church, believe the essence of Christianity is not belief in the Bible but belief in Christ.

-DFB

Subject: I have a black cat.
Believer: Black cats are bad luck.
Non-believer: It's just a cat.
Crackpot: Black cats are part of the New World Order government conspiracy.
Skeptic: I can test if black cats are more or less lucky than another cat.
Cynic: You only have a black cat to gain power and prestige.

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03-12-2016, 05:10 AM
Post: #84
RE: Jesus never existed
(03-10-2016 09:06 AM)Darkforeboding Wrote:  
(03-10-2016 05:36 AM)albie Wrote:  >>Heresay evidence is not admissible in a court of law. I can show you an equal number of people that believe in Jesus.

(1)Exactly. Jesus is hearsay and yet you believe. You really don't get it do you. No wonder you believe in such nonsense.

>>Do you even read your own statements before you hit the 'enter' button? Your logic here is that you weren't making fun of someone but that you were making fun of them.

(2)I was making fun of something other than what you accused. You really don't get how weak your arguments are. No wonder you believe in Jesus and his nonsense.

>>Litters is also an appropriate word. So why aren't you quoting Socrates and Da Vinci in this argument? Wait, they were hundreds of years ago and we don't know who they were or what tests they passed.

(3)Oh, so Socrates and Da Vinci is litter now? No wonder you believe nonsense.

>>I have no doubt that you have learned things by reading a book.

This isn't economics. Feel superior if you want, but I'm not prone to straying from the subject of this discussion. YOU discount other people's experiences but believe fantastic ideas yourself. You insist that my belief means that I can't criticize anyone else's experience. I'll just put it this way and use small words so you can understand. Don't tell me what I can and can't do.

(4)YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW A SIMPLE THING LIKE THAT?

It was Alan Greenspan when he was head of the federal reserve. He got rid of the regulations over banks and banks were then allowed to give loans to just about anyone. No charge for the lesson.

>>Don't tell me what I can and can't do.

(5)It's not me who's telling you not to judge people. It's your own bible...

"Judge not, that ye be not judged."

Matthew 7:1-3King James Version

You didn't even know a simple thing like that? Wow.

>>Sure I believe it. The donkey was actually a shape changing alien reptile sent by the reptile overlords to control the path of civilization. Look up the word 'sarcasm.' You keep using that word. I don't believe it means what you think it means.

(6)Avoiding answering the question AGAIN. Pathetic. Your arguments are so weak yet you act like you are making massive statements. You don't fool me. I know you're struggling here. Smile

>>To paraphrase Mark Twain, you don't need to eat an entire apple to know that it's rotten.

(7)Books are different. You need to read the entire thing to get a fair assessment of it. You didn't even know that? No wonder you believe in a talking donkey.

To sum up: your arguments are weak. You criticise books you haven't read. You avoid answering embarrassing questions about your own beliefs. IN all, a win for me...AGAIN.

(1) So you criticize my religion as heresay and yet provide your own heresay evidence. You didn't tell me YOU had seen someone transform into a reptile. You didn't even tell me David Icke had seen someone turn into a reptile. You tell me that people told David Icke that they had seen someone turn into a reptile which he then wrote in a book and you read it. For some reason you think that is superior evidence.

(2)So you admit you were making fun of her, which was my point.

(3) By your definition Socrates didn't exist. There are no government records of his birth, life, or death. He did not write anything himself. The only evidence we have of his existence is the copies of the writings of his disciples. If Jesus doesn't exist for those reasons, neither does Socrates. David Icke, then, makes a mistake when quoting him.

(4) That's nice. You're still avoiding the subject of this discussion.

(5) Flawed logic for several reasons. Me telling you not to tell me what to do is not judging you. You don't believe the Bible anyway, so why quote it back to me? If you did believe the Bible and are telling me I should do what it says then you are judging me for not adhering.

(6) You asked me if I believe that Balaam's donkey spoke. My first sentence was "Sure, I believe it." How is that not answering the question? Struggling? Yes, I'm struggling not to laugh.

When I was a pre-schooler I thought it was great fun to pour salt on a garden slug. Eventually I realized it was just a waste of salt. Other people think a slug is fit for the table in a French restaurant. I think they are only fit for crawling in the dirt and leaving icky trails.

(7) Samuel Clemens made that quote in reference to a book. Argue with him.

You claim I don't even know things. There are none so blind as those who will not see. I'm guessing you know where the Bible says that.

>> So you criticize my religion as heresay and yet provide your own heresay evidence. You didn't tell me YOU had seen someone transform into a reptile. You didn't even tell me David Icke had seen someone turn into a reptile. You tell me that people told David Icke that they had seen someone turn into a reptile which he then wrote in a book and you read it. For some reason you think that is superior evidence.

David's evidence came from living people. Not people who have been dead for thousands of years. The bible is not evidence because it is OLD.


>>(2)So you admit you were making fun of her, which was my point.

No, your point was that I was making fun of people's beliefs. I wasn't. I openly admit I was making fun of their bad English. What you going to do about it? When uglynrude is sarcastic with people you do nothing. At one point recently you even backed him up.

>>(3) By your definition Socrates didn't exist. There are no government records of his birth, life, or death. He did not write anything himself. The only evidence we have of his existence is the copies of the writings of his disciples. If Jesus doesn't exist for those reasons, neither does Socrates. David Icke, then, makes a mistake when quoting him.

It does not matter if he existed or not. His wisdom all that is necessary to using it as a quote.

>>(4) That's nice. You're still avoiding the subject of this discussion.

How am I? I'm countering ALL your arguments and winning.

>>(5) Flawed logic for several reasons. Me telling you not to tell me what to do is not judging you. You don't believe the Bible anyway, so why quote it back to me? If you did believe the Bible and are telling me I should do what it says then you are judging me for not adhering.

Wow. Pay attention! The not judging people thing was me saying that you cannot judge other people's evidence. I really wish I was debating this with uglynrude. He's smart.

>>You don't believe the Bible anyway, so why quote it back to me?

Have you no imagination? I'm demonstrating what a bad Christian you are.

>>(6) You asked me if I believe that Balaam's donkey spoke. My first sentence was "Sure, I believe it." How is that not answering the question? Struggling? Yes, I'm struggling not to laugh.

You believe a fuffing donkey can speak? BWAHAHAHAHAH! Who needs to take this discussion any further? BWAHAHHAHAH! And you deride Icke for believing that reptilians rule this planet?

Look at what your own bible says...

First we have the snake in the garden of Eden. Then we have the dragon in the book of revelation. Both depictions of the devil.

Your own bible has the head of evil on this planet as a reptilian. BWAHAHAH. You didn't even know that?

>>(7) Samuel Clemens made that quote in reference to a book. Argue with him.

He has never read a David Icke book, like you. You have to read all the evidence to get the book. If I were to only show someone the bit about Balaam's donkey from the bible they would get a distorted view of Christianity. So Clemens was wrong, obviously.

Why I should spend half an hour of my internet time discussing things with someone who believes in a talking donkey is beyond me.

And let's tackle another subject. GAYS.

Here's what your bs bible says about it...

Lev. 18:22
•‘You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination," (NASB).

Do you think gays are an abomination? I bet you do.
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03-12-2016, 09:13 AM
Post: #85
RE: Jesus never existed
(03-12-2016 05:10 AM)albie Wrote:  David's evidence came from living people. Not people who have been dead for thousands of years. The bible is not evidence because it is OLD.


It does not matter if he (Socrates) existed or not. His wisdom all that is necessary to using it as a quote.

And let's tackle another subject. GAYS.

Here's what your bs bible says about it...

Lev. 18:22
•‘You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination," (NASB).

Do you think gays are an abomination? I bet you do.

What other evidence do I need to prove my point? You ridicule people's belief and believe something unproven yourself. Now you're trying to change the subject again.

I've asked twice to end this discussion which you delude yourself into thinking that you are winning. Now Fair_Luminary is asking us to end the discussion.

-DFB

Subject: I have a black cat.
Believer: Black cats are bad luck.
Non-believer: It's just a cat.
Crackpot: Black cats are part of the New World Order government conspiracy.
Skeptic: I can test if black cats are more or less lucky than another cat.
Cynic: You only have a black cat to gain power and prestige.

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