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Potential Orbs?
11-05-2015, 08:00 AM (This post was last modified: 11-05-2015 08:14 AM by UglyNRude.)
Post: #21
RE: Potential Orbs?
(11-05-2015 07:56 AM)fldinosaur Wrote:  
(11-05-2015 07:40 AM)UglyNRude Wrote:  Why not prove the claims? You make statements then run and hide. Explain in detail what you claim. In science, the burden of proof falls upon the claimant; and the more extraordinary a claim, the heavier is the burden of proof demanded.

I did not run and hide. I have offered up my evidence. You can believe or not.

And the burden of proof falls both ways. What you say is just a cop out for those who cannot prove otherwise. Quoting Sagan? Even he back tracked on a lot of what he said.

Just for GP...can you prove to me there are whales? I've never seen one. What would you use...pictures? Videos? Stories? Sound familiar?

Agree to disagree and move on. The more you attack me the more irrelevant you become.
I have not seen any explanation of the claims you make except GA. I have offered proof with the testing with stereo cameras. and the major camera manufacturers explanation of them. But i imagine you ignored the articles as it conflicts with your belief. Why not take part in the camera experiment?

Anyone can capture foreign debris with a point and shoot camera
[Image: DSCN0078.jpg]

Then we have the Christmas orb
[Image: holidayorbs.jpg]

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11-05-2015, 06:53 PM
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RE: Potential Orbs?
(11-05-2015 08:00 AM)UglyNRude Wrote:  
(11-05-2015 07:56 AM)fldinosaur Wrote:  
(11-05-2015 07:40 AM)UglyNRude Wrote:  Why not prove the claims? You make statements then run and hide. Explain in detail what you claim. In science, the burden of proof falls upon the claimant; and the more extraordinary a claim, the heavier is the burden of proof demanded.

I did not run and hide. I have offered up my evidence. You can believe or not.

And the burden of proof falls both ways. What you say is just a cop out for those who cannot prove otherwise. Quoting Sagan? Even he back tracked on a lot of what he said.

Just for GP...can you prove to me there are whales? I've never seen one. What would you use...pictures? Videos? Stories? Sound familiar?

Agree to disagree and move on. The more you attack me the more irrelevant you become.
I have not seen any explanation of the claims you make except GA. I have offered proof with the testing with stereo cameras. and the major camera manufacturers explanation of them. But i imagine you ignored the articles as it conflicts with your belief. Why not take part in the camera experiment?

Anyone can capture foreign debris with a point and shoot camera
[Image: DSCN0078.jpg]

Then we have the Christmas orb
[Image: holidayorbs.jpg]

I don't want to get into an argument with anyone or anything like that, but I just want to point out that those photos are obviously NOT orbs. Anyone with a brain could see that. Those photos aren't the ones being called into question, however. You can quite easily see that it's snowing in one and the other one is definitely nothing paranormal. Let me repeat. Photos like the ones you've shown are not the ones being called into question. The photos I, myself, wonder about are the ones in which there is a single orb in a room, such as the one I included in my original post. I just want to reiterate the fact that these photos are here for the interpretation of each person. I do not claim that these photos 100% include orbs.
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11-08-2015, 01:32 PM
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RE: Potential Orbs?
People can fake and re-create a lot of things. It doesn't discredit that some things are real. IMO skeptics choose to be non-believers until something happens to them to make them believe simply because they fear the truth until it is right in front of them. I mean nature makes salt but man can too.
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11-08-2015, 01:34 PM
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(11-08-2015 01:32 PM)searchingthedarkness Wrote:  People can fake and re-create a lot of things. It doesn't discredit that some things are real. IMO skeptics choose to be non-believers until something happens to them to make them believe simply because they fear the truth until it is right in front of them. I mean nature makes salt but man can too.

Why not learn what a skeptic is? A skeptic is open minded to facts. A cynic is a non believer.

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11-08-2015, 01:35 PM
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RE: Potential Orbs?
(11-08-2015 01:34 PM)UglyNRude Wrote:  
(11-08-2015 01:32 PM)searchingthedarkness Wrote:  People can fake and re-create a lot of things. It doesn't discredit that some things are real. IMO skeptics choose to be non-believers until something happens to them to make them believe simply because they fear the truth until it is right in front of them. I mean nature makes salt but man can too.

Why not learn what a skeptic is? A skeptic is open minded to facts. A cynic is a non believer.

I am a believer.
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11-08-2015, 02:34 PM
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Sony
https://us.en.kb.sony.com/app/answers/de...image-when

Panasonic
http://eng.faq.panasonic.com/app/answers...the-flash.

Fuji
http://faq.fujifilm.com/digitalcamera/fa...=110200137
They must be run by skeptics

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11-08-2015, 02:45 PM
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(11-08-2015 02:34 PM)UglyNRude Wrote:  Sony
https://us.en.kb.sony.com/app/answers/de...image-when

Panasonic
http://eng.faq.panasonic.com/app/answers...the-flash.

Fuji
http://faq.fujifilm.com/digitalcamera/fa...=110200137
They must be run by skeptics

Even they say "sometimes", "maybe", and "maybe". No one would ever say dust doesn't get caught but not everyone is dust (or a bug or glare or humidity).
It just comes down to those who believe in the possibility and those who don't.
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11-08-2015, 02:49 PM
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RE: Potential Orbs?
(11-08-2015 02:45 PM)fldinosaur Wrote:  
(11-08-2015 02:34 PM)UglyNRude Wrote:  Sony
https://us.en.kb.sony.com/app/answers/de...image-when

Panasonic
http://eng.faq.panasonic.com/app/answers...the-flash.

Fuji
http://faq.fujifilm.com/digitalcamera/fa...=110200137
They must be run by skeptics

Even they say "sometimes", "maybe", and "maybe". No one would ever say dust doesn't get caught but not everyone is dust (or a bug or glare or humidity).
It just comes down to those who believe in the possibility and those who don't.

No it doesn't come down to the possibility. its been proven by stereo photography. its also been shown how to not capture them both with cameras and videos. A dslr with a lens hood will not capture orbs. lighting a room and turning off the flash with a point and shoot and no orbs. The problem is those who ignore facts. ignore the testing and fail to take part in testing.

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11-08-2015, 06:26 PM
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My point is not about the orbs in photos you have taken being real or not. Those photos were already taken and the time to check to see what caused the orb is already come and gone. Nothing can be determined about it now.

What would be the harm in using the photo techniques described to prevent orbs in the future? Then if you can continue to get orbs you can safely say they weren't caused by a backscatter (dust or water droplets reflecting the flash back to the camera. If you don't get orbs maybe you can safely assume that the orbs weren't caused by anything paranormal.

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02-22-2016, 01:47 PM
Post: #30
RE: Potential Orbs?
Camera flash = dust. The reason there's only one at times is because the dust particle in question must be very close to the lens. There are in all likelihood many dust particles in the room but only one extremely close to the lens at any given time. A camera flash is not a magical instrument that brings the invisible into the visible light spectrum. If these orbs were in the visible light spectrum you'd see them with the naked eye but instead they only appear when you bounce bright light off of them. Think about it. Take those same photos with a camera capable of shooting in IR or UV with a long exposure and no flash and even though you are using a device capable of seeing into 2-3 light spectrums instead of only 1, you won't get any "orbs". I don't know how to make it any clearer.
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