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Do we need God?
Yes there is a good deal of negativity to go with the good. I can't overlook that which is why I don't subscribe to any particular faith. As I said though there is something to be said for the time in which those documents were written.
What's that in the mirror, or the corner of your eye, what's that footstep following, but never passing by
"If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him." is worthy of much consideration from believers and non-believers alike. Although the entire epistle by Voltaire is worthy of much, much more...

"Insipid writer, you pretend to draw for your readers
The portraits of your 3 impostors;
How is it that, witlessly, you have become the fourth?
Why, poor enemy of the supreme essence,
Do you confuse Mohammed and the Creator,
And the deeds of man with God, his author?...
Criticize the servant, but respect the master.
God should not suffer for the stupidity of the priest:
Let us recognize this God, although he is poorly served.

My lodging is filled with lizards and rats;
But the architect exists, and anyone who denies it
Is touched with madness under the guise of wisdom.
Consult Zoroaster, and Minos, and Solon,
And the martyr Socrates, and the great Cicero:
They all adored a master, a judge, a father.
This sublime system is necessary to man.
It is the sacred tie that binds society,
The first foundation of holy equity,
The bridle to the wicked, the hope of the just.

If the heavens, stripped of his noble imprint,
Could ever cease to attest to his being,
If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.
Let the wise man announce him and kings fear him.
Kings, if you oppress me, if your eminencies disdain
The tears of the innocent that you cause to flow,
My avenger is in the heavens: learn to tremble.
Such, at least, is the fruit of a useful creed..."

This is the beginning. Find the rest here:
The best of Victorian smack talk!
Before you take any decision, consider its effect on the next seven generations.
THis thread is more about 'do we need religion'
#14 long as one has the fine tools and precise skill are usually required to split hairs.

Though, at least you responded and silenced the crickets.
Before you take any decision, consider its effect on the next seven generations.
separating god from religion is hardly splitting hairs. Let's face it, we do not know what god wants from us if he/she exists.
Albie you definitely exist! I will attest, amen.

I see you trying hard to be a detractor and an instigator, both I totally understand and under most other circumstances would support you mightily!

This thread title is 'Do we need God?' AND I LIKE IT! It's heady and it's edgy and the discussion is lively! If we lose the topic we lose the discussion. I'm sure you can understand.

Start a new thread my friend and you can call it anything you want. I promise to go to it and stir the pot!

As for the other atheists you're kind of looking like shadow entities right now. Has Voltaire found your 'off' button?
Before you take any decision, consider its effect on the next seven generations.
>>This thread title is 'Do we need God?' AND I LIKE IT!

Most of the complaints about god on this thread are complaints about religion. Hence the title is wrong.
Absolutely! It's the basic misconception since the dawn of humanity, the failure to recognize the infant as compared to the infinite, the ever changing from the unchangeable, the fallible from the infallible. For those who worship it is a potential stumbling block and a pitfall unless we can constantly be reminded of our lowly state and then worship from that aspect. I can speak of this easily while to put it to practice is another thing entirely.

The truly meek may take courage, confidence, and even indignation but not without recognizing the source.

IMHO humanity is in the most dangerous state when these tenets are ignored for whatever reason.

...but I am only a man.
Before you take any decision, consider its effect on the next seven generations.
I don't think anyone NEEDS to have a faith in God or any other gods and religion to survive. It's more of a conversation starter and way for people to understand the world. Some people have a deep desire to have someone or something lead their lives and tell them how to live and behave otherwise they feel lost and void of all meaning of living.
Some people claim that a newfound faith in God has helped them get through dark times. In those instances, then religion can play an important, vital part in society for survival.
To each their own.
The hero is brave in deeds as well as words - Aesop

Please all, and you will please none - Aesop
I'm not a sociologist, but I've always noticed that (to my knowledge) no ancient society has ever been discovered that did not have an associated religion. This leads me to the conclusion that religion must be a unifying factor for a society to survive. Do we need God? I do personally. I'm convinced that a society needs some type of god or gods to become cohesive.

Subject: I have a black cat.
Believer: Black cats are bad luck.
Non-believer: It's just a cat.
Crackpot: Black cats are part of the New World Order government conspiracy.
Skeptic: I can test if black cats are more or less lucky than another cat.
Cynic: You only have a black cat to gain power and prestige.


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