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What Do Producers For Mystery Shows Really Want?
#11
As for ghost stories, seeing what I do they never really "entertained" me. Besides there are tons of true stories that are far more terrifying then camp fire garbage ghost tales.


And that's precisely the attitude that this producer was NOT looking for. They didn't want someone who was going to assume at the outset that the story was garbage, and the person was lying. That's not being skeptical. That's being biased.

They wanted someone connected to the paranormal to go and interview these people and collect their stories. Period. They didn't want someone going in with an agenda. They didn't want someone who already had preconceived notions about the cases, or who was going to be judgmental of the people involved. They didn't want someone who was going to try to "solve" the mysteries, because that wasn't the intent of the show.

And obviously, this skeptic was offended that he would only be collecting the stories and not subjecting them to scrutiny. But hey...it isn't his show. If he wants a show like that, more power to him to go and create one.
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#12
^^^^^yeah, see my prior post^^^^^^
If thats not what they wanted they shouldn't have bothered with him.

Unsolved cases that truly cant be debunked are much more interesting I agree, but cases left "unsolved" for ratings, its meh.

He has a right to be irritated, he works hard on the mysteries he investigates. Wouldn't you be annoyed if you spent weeks to months on a project to be told all the work you put in the other person didn't care about?

"Studies Show...Intelligent girls are more depressed, because they know what the world is really like.....She knows in society she's either a Devil or an Angel with no in between. She speaks in the third person, so that she can forget that she's me." ~Emily Autumn
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#13
No really, this is awesome. I'm loving how a person getting contacted to do a show and then answering the questions they asked honestly is trying to change the agenda. That's great. Tell me what color yarn is used to spin that one? I agree with Fair_Luminary. Radford's reputation for going into something open minded with the intent to solve the mystery is well known in many circles. It would have taken three minutes of research to find that out if they didn't already realize this. I think they googled "paranormal experts" and went with a name that was credible without really looking into what he does.

Oh well. It's their loss.
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#14
(03-21-2015, 03:42 PM)Fair_Luminary Wrote: ^^^^^yeah, see my prior post^^^^^^
If thats not what they wanted they shouldn't have bothered with him.

Unsolved cases that truly cant be debunked are much more interesting I agree, but cases left "unsolved" for ratings, its meh.

He has a right to be irritated, he works hard on the mysteries he investigates. Wouldn't you be annoyed if you spent weeks to months on a project to be told all the work you put in the other person didn't care about?

Well, they didn't know he wasn't what they wanted until they spoke to him. They didn't know that he wouldn't be willing to just go out and do the interviews without attacking people. They had to talk to him to find that out.

All the producer was interested in was trying to get someone who was connected with the paranormal to do the interviews. Naturally, they are interested in getting someone who has a decent reputation, but they aren't necessarily interested in his work. They're interested in their show. And if he isn't willing to do what they need for their show, then they're gonna look somewhere else.

He wanted the show to be different. He wanted it to reflect his work and his methods. It doesn't. There's no need for him to be offended by that. Just go and make your own show, then.

A TV show producer is not required to be interested in how someone else wants their show to be. They're also not required to be interested in someone else's work, if it doesn't mesh with what they're planning on doing in their own show.

I think he was expecting the producer to bow down to the greatness of his skepticism and investigation tactics...and she just went...oh, you're not what we're looking for. We want someone to interview the people and not pass judgment on them. Moving on.
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#15
(03-22-2015, 09:27 AM)ChaosRose Wrote:
(03-21-2015, 03:42 PM)Fair_Luminary Wrote: ^^^^^yeah, see my prior post^^^^^^
If thats not what they wanted they shouldn't have bothered with him.

Unsolved cases that truly cant be debunked are much more interesting I agree, but cases left "unsolved" for ratings, its meh.

He has a right to be irritated, he works hard on the mysteries he investigates. Wouldn't you be annoyed if you spent weeks to months on a project to be told all the work you put in the other person didn't care about?

Well, they didn't know he wasn't what they wanted until they spoke to him. They didn't know that he wouldn't be willing to just go out and do the interviews without attacking people. They had to talk to him to find that out.

Actually if they had read any of his work it was pretty obvious what he was like. This just shows that no research is done when looking for people to do shows.
Belief bias occurs when we make illogical conclusions in order to confirm our preexisting beliefs. Belief perseverance refers to our tendency to maintain a belief even after the evidence we used to form the belief is contradicted.
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#16
(03-22-2015, 09:30 AM)UglyNRude Wrote:
(03-22-2015, 09:27 AM)ChaosRose Wrote:
(03-21-2015, 03:42 PM)Fair_Luminary Wrote: ^^^^^yeah, see my prior post^^^^^^
If thats not what they wanted they shouldn't have bothered with him.

Unsolved cases that truly cant be debunked are much more interesting I agree, but cases left "unsolved" for ratings, its meh.

He has a right to be irritated, he works hard on the mysteries he investigates. Wouldn't you be annoyed if you spent weeks to months on a project to be told all the work you put in the other person didn't care about?

Well, they didn't know he wasn't what they wanted until they spoke to him. They didn't know that he wouldn't be willing to just go out and do the interviews without attacking people. They had to talk to him to find that out.

Actually if they had read any of his work it was pretty obvious what he was like. This just shows that no research is done when looking for people to do shows.

They probably didn't read any of his work. In fact, I think it was evident and they stated that he had been recommended by someone else. Why should they need to read his work? They needed someone connected to the paranormal to interview people without passing judgment on them. Someone recommended him to them, and knowing him, they probably shouldn't have. That said, it's hardly the producer's fault that someone recommended him for a job he wouldn't want.

I think ultimately, the producer's only crime is in wanting someone to be unbiased and impartial.
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#17
(03-22-2015, 09:27 AM)ChaosRose Wrote: "They didn't know that he wouldn't be willing to just go out and do the interviews without attacking people. They had to talk to him to find that out."

"He wanted the show to be different. He wanted it to reflect his work and his methods. It doesn't. There's no need for him to be offended by that. Just go and make your own show, then."

"I think he was expecting the producer to bow down to the greatness of his skepticism and investigation tactics...and she just went...oh, you're not what we're looking for. We want someone to interview the people and not pass judgment on them. Moving on."

Attacking people? He wanted the show to be different? Expecting the producer to bow dow?

I ask again did we read the same article????? I feel you are projecting way to much of yourself into this. The producer never said "oh your not what were looking for". Are you really so blinded by your beliefs that you are inserting words that are not there? Or are you just trolling? Because I seriously can't tell....
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#18
No to be fair, Rose is not trolling. She's an established member who does like to present the other side to the argument. To be honest, it does keep this place hopping with discussion. We don't agree on a lot, but she's just putting another argument out there.

Again, I see what producers advertise that they want--and then, from talking to those who have actually had some experience with para~themed television shows, I see what actually happens. I do think there's a lot of manipulation going on and they like to feed on the assumption that people are going to just do whatever it takes to get on TV. Sadly, in the paranormal, there's a lot who would do just that.
“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ~Philip K. Dick

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#19
(03-22-2015, 04:05 PM)Fair_Luminary Wrote:
(03-22-2015, 09:27 AM)ChaosRose Wrote: "They didn't know that he wouldn't be willing to just go out and do the interviews without attacking people. They had to talk to him to find that out."

"He wanted the show to be different. He wanted it to reflect his work and his methods. It doesn't. There's no need for him to be offended by that. Just go and make your own show, then."

"I think he was expecting the producer to bow down to the greatness of his skepticism and investigation tactics...and she just went...oh, you're not what we're looking for. We want someone to interview the people and not pass judgment on them. Moving on."

Attacking people? He wanted the show to be different? Expecting the producer to bow dow?

I ask again did we read the same article????? I feel you are projecting way to much of yourself into this. The producer never said "oh your not what were looking for". Are you really so blinded by your beliefs that you are inserting words that are not there? Or are you just trolling? Because I seriously can't tell....


Yep, we're reading the same article. You're just glossing over the parts that I'm focusing on. And no...just because I don't agree with you, it doesn't mean I'm a troll. Nice try.

Basically, you have a producer of a TV show who was told by someone who knows the guy that he might be a good fit for the show. She calls and says this is what we're looking for. He says, that's not what I do (with attitude), THIS is what I do (and it's not what she wants). She says, ok (wondering why she just got the attitude), and says thanks but that's not what we're looking for.

There really didn't need to be any drama. TV shows are TV shows. There's no scientific research happening. If people think they're getting their science from a paranormal show, then there's something wrong with that picture.
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#20
For me, the most telling sentence in that article was this one...

"Producer: "No, we want to tell the whole story, but from their perspective."

In other words, they don't want to tell the whole story. They want to flip a coin but they want it to always be heads. They want to investigate a mystery but always say that it has no solution.
-DFB

Subject: I have a black cat.
Believer: Black cats are bad luck.
Non-believer: It's just a cat.
Crackpot: Black cats are part of the New World Order government conspiracy.
Skeptic: I can test if black cats are more or less lucky than another cat.
Cynic: You only have a black cat to gain power and prestige.

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