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The Dyatlov Pass Incident
#21
Their state of undress can be explained by paradoxical undressing, a known behavior of hypothermia victims when their brains start to freeze and malfunction. In other words, it's the kind of behavior you'd expect from a group of injured avalanche victims wandering around in the middle of the night in the freezing cold.

Searching for the remaining four travelers took more than two months. They were finally found on May 4, under four meters of snow, in a stream valley further into the wood from the pine tree.

There had initially been some speculation that the indigenous Mansi people may have attacked and murdered the group, for encroaching upon their lands.

It is true that her tongue and parts of her oral cavity were missing when she was discovered two months after the event. This aspect has led people to see a bizarre aspect to this incident that is wholly unjustified. The reality is that her tongue was not ripped out but was degraded though the activity of micro flora and fauna. We now know that this was fully acknowledged at the time

It is not true that the first bodies that were discovered had a significant orange discolouration. This is because they were found quite soon after the event took place.

The bodies discovered almost two months later did exhibit orange discolouration but this is normal and often experienced by rescue teams that have the unfortunate task of recovering such remains. This aspect of the story has been enhanced by the fact that some of the photographs taken at the time have degenerated and the “sepia” (orange) pigments in the images have become more evident.

How deep was the ravine in which the final four victims were found? Could a natural fall account for their injuries?

The short answer is the ravine was quite deep and the injuries could have easily been caused by the fall. The following is part of an e-mail from Dr. Vladimir B. (a member of the original rescue team) regarding this point:

“The slope of a ravine had a range of heights from 3 up to 5 m (10m or 17 ft) in the general area where the skiers were found. It had an incline or angle of approximately 30 to 40 degrees. The opposite slope of the ravine was flat. The width of the ravine was approximately 40 metres or 130ft. It is quite possible that the injuries recorded could have been sustained by a “sudden” fall – especially given the fact that these people would have been tired and have had limited visibility."

How is it that the bodies found two months later were under four foot of snow in the ravine but bodies higher up the slope were only under 1 – 1 ½ feet of snow?

According to the Professor N. Volodicheva of Moscow State University, during the months of February and March this part of the region experiences significant deposits of snow which are distributed by a combination of geography and wind factors. (Described above) In general, the principle is that more snow will accumulate at lower levels and usually in drifts. In particular, ravines and gullies will fill quite swiftly. This natural distribution fully explains why Igor Dyatlov was found under a foot of snow while Zinaida Kolmagorova, who was located higher up the slope, was only found covered by only half a foot of snow. It also explains why the searchers who discovered the remaining four bodies in the ravine had to dig though four metres of snow. Time and accumulation had created a significant build-up. (2 - 3 Months)

What are the details of the skull injury experienced by Nicolas Thibeaux-Brignollel? This information alone could go a very long way to solving the mystery. For example, is it an impact injury or a comprehensive pressure injury? Was there retinal detachment? Was he alive or dead when it happened?

This information was apparently very precisely recorded by the Judicial Doctor (Coroner) at the time. He recorded that such a head injury was most likely to have been caused by impact with a rock as a result of a fall from a height of 2 – 3 metres (6 to 10ft) but not more. The reason for this is that impacts of this kind only occur at a velocity of up to 7 – 8 Metres per second. Faster impact speeds generally cause a break (breach) at the apex or arch of the skull with little evident trauma to the base. In the case of Nicolas Thibeaux-Brignollel there was no apex related damage. In addition, the forensic evidence suggests that he was alive when he sustained the injury.

Is it true that the hair of the Individuals had all turned a strange silver colour?

No! This is pure nonsense. The report of the judicial Doctor (Coroner) actually records that the hair of the victims was all of natural colour.

Was the type of radiation mentioned in some accounts ever identified? Was it superficial or penetrative? What we mean by this is was it something they touched or did it permeate their bodies? The reason that this is important is that it distinguishes between recent weapon use and merely background exposure.

Again, the short answer is: The radiation was superficial and this fact has been known for some time. It is generally irresponsible journalism that has exaggerated the importance of this aspect of the Dyatlov Pass case.

“The radiation referred to has been identified as beta-radiation with the characteristics of isotope K-40. This is very weak contamination and certainly superficial.”

According to various experts the radiation was minor surface contamination and probably from Lyudmila Dubanina’s coat. It was probably from a laboratory environment (Radium, Radon and Potassium) and not from any recent weapons use. A point has been made that prior to the moratorium on atomic weapons testing a fair number of detonations had been carried out in Russia and in other parts of the world. Again, it was not uncommon that small amounts of “fall-out” might be spread far and wide.

Why did the Soviet Authorities deem this event important enough to classify this subject for 30 years? Have they fully released the file? Where can it be found?

The event was actually never classified – this is the typical exaggeration that can be found on certain sensationalist websites. Any papers that have disappeared are more likely the result of inefficiency or bureaucratic stupidity. Without saying who we’ve worked for in the past we can assure you that this happens all the time!

We can speculate all we want but WE don't know what really happened.

From the answers that we have now received to our initial questions we have discovered that much of the apparent “bizarreness” surrounding this mystery is actually misinformation or exaggeration.

Dubanina’s tongue was not ripped out it was degraded through natural processes

The radiation found was inconsequential.

The area was not sealed off to everyone – only amateur sports groups

The case was never classified

There are currently no records of any experimental aircraft being tested in the area in 1959

There is no evidence (now or then) that the area was used to test weapons. However, this doesn’t rule out secret testing

Photographs thought to be missile parts have turned out to be old radar units

The mysterious envelope contained only general correspondence

Photographs show that any discolouration of the bodies was wholly normal

The woman on the train who claimed there were eleven people has turned out to be a very unreliable witness (and a different person altogether).

The injuries discovered are explainable and consistent with those that might be expected to occur in a group of desperate and clearly frightened people that had been stumbling around in dangerous conditions in the dark.

Ok so now we have a more accurate report instead of all the guesses. So we can see how an urban legend is formed. The stories gather MIS-INFORMATION and people add to it as its told. With accurate data collecting we can see its very explainable.
Belief bias occurs when we make illogical conclusions in order to confirm our preexisting beliefs. Belief perseverance refers to our tendency to maintain a belief even after the evidence we used to form the belief is contradicted.
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#22
The big problems i see with this is that it was proven to be no avalanche, they were known to be experts at hiking in that type terrain, and the fact that blood was found at the body with the removed tongue. I tend to believe in the official inquest over some random, questionable, investigation that wasn't even conducted at the site.
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#23
Having never heard of this incident prior to today, I've done my own research this evening.

I found a site that actually has information directly from those who were involved in the search. I believe this site because they actually have a letter of appreciation from the Dyatlov Team Foundation, which serves to promote education and understanding of this event.

This website explains much of the damage that occurred to the bodies through forensic science. They explain the snowfall. How it was never covered up by the government... etc. They explain the uranium-- that it was just superficial and probably from a lab environment at the polytechnical university and transferred from one person's clothing to another when they took clothes off the deceased person's body. They also explain the orange skin-- much in the same way UNR describes it, since it is a common trait of bodies found in the snow after 2-3 months. The hair being grey is also explained to be a myth.

I encourage you to visit this site. Much of what it states coincides with possible explanations given by myself and UNR. Some of it is divergent (for example-- it does corroborate that there was NO avalanche in the area that it was just wind-blown snow that covered the 4 bodies found in the ravine 2-3 months after the initial event) , though it does adequately explain through scientific, forensic, and logical evidence the circumstances after the group left the tent. It also explains that much of the information relating to the incident has been sensationalized... and it is difficult to find an accurate account of the event.

However, the mystery as to why these experienced skiers left their tents in such a hurry, entering blatantly perilous conditions in the first place, still remains unknown. What scared them so badly? WHY did they leave the tent in such a hurry?

Was it hypothermia? Were they scared of something INSIDE the tent? Did one of them panic, causing the rest of them to follow? Therein lies the true mystery.

Here is the website I suggest you read:

http://www.aquiziam.com/dyatlov_pass_answers.html

They have other pages and photographs that prove interesting.

If you do manage to get a hold of the documents now held by the Dyatlov Foundation... I would be interested in seeing them. I don't personally read Russian, but I do know someone fluent in the language who could translate for me.

(Apparently UNR found the site... heh. A lot of it is quoted above... but now you have an excellent source and location to read more and see more...)
My husband swears it was BabaYaga who scared the skiers. The reason there are no extra footprints because her house flies. The others fled, but the girl with the missing tongue had her soul sucked out by the ogress-witch. (How else do you flavor soup than with a good tongue and soul?) The trauma to the other victims was caused by the chicken feet of the house, which kicked them 1.6 km into the ravine where the others fled and tried to keep warm. Hypothermia was way better than dying at the hands of BabaYaga!
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#24
Wink 
Maybe they started fighting with each other? It'd explain most of it, they were arguing and made crazy in the cold.
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#25
Maybe something theyt consumed was contaminated?
There was an incident in Europe of a village's bread being cotaminated with a fungus that caused anyone to eat it to hallucinate (sorry I can't give anymore info on that, but I can't recall the details)
If they were hallucinating, tripping, etc that could explain the state of their tent, state of undress etc???

*update*
Ergot of Rye.
Ergotism, the Saga Continues.... (20th Century)

There have been occasions in the 20th century where outbreaks occur. In 1926-27, Russian had 10,000 reported cases, England reported 200 cases in 1927, and the last reported cases was 1951 in Provence, France. Dr. Jean Vieu, of Pont-St.-Esprit in Provence, France, visited a patient exhibited symptoms similar to acute appendicitis. However the patient suffered from symptoms other than the intense pain in the lower abdomen, the patient also had a lowgrade fever, cold fingertips, and hallucinations. Three days later the hospitals were full and 70 houses had been turned into emergency wards. The fist victim of this strange illness that the doctors had determined to be food poisoning died in agonizing convulsions. Terror spread through the city as stories spread about an eleven year old attempted to strangle his mother. The doctors persuaded the mayor to institute a house-to-house search for anything that might yield a clue as to the cause. The investigation uncovered that all the people had eaten bread from the same bakery. Samples of the bread from the homes and from the bakery were sent to Marseillis for analysis. Twenty poisonous alkaloids were found in the bread, and the source of these alkaloids was a fungus that produces ergot in rye. It would a few weeks later before the entire mystery was figured out. A miller 300 kilometers away, had ground the flour. An unscrupulous farmer had sold his ergot infected rye to a baker who had it ground into flour. All three men knew the rye was poisonous but they did not want to pay the twenty francs per kilo sales tax. The result was that over 200 hundred suffered from severe ergotism, 32 went insane, and 4 died.

http://www.plant.uga.edu/labrat/ergot.htm
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#26
Sootica

The autopsies performed on the victims would have found that.
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#27
Fantastic story!! I not only thought this thread you started Bracket was incredibly interesting, but how you all gave some awesome input was great.
Scientifically-a lot rolled over my head, but it was awesome to read.

Now this would make an amazing movie-and I would be curious how a writer would create a plausible ending for the film.
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#28
I've only just read this too, it reminds me of the Anjikuni village story.

What's also interesting is the witnesses to the orang orbs.

You can't get an all over tan when part of your body is laying on the snow, the sun wouldn't be able to get underneath to tan. Was the orange skin colouring alll over the bodies Bracket?




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#29
(12-06-2009, 03:11 PM)eyepriestess Wrote: I've only just read this too, it reminds me of the Anjikuni village story.

What's also interesting is the witnesses to the orang orbs.

You can't get an all over tan when part of your body is laying on the snow, the sun wouldn't be able to get underneath to tan. Was the orange skin colouring alll over the bodies Bracket?

I do remember seeing one account by one of the family members seeing the orange coloring on the back of the victims neck, and they brought that same point up.
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#30
I'm going to do some research on this story Bracket and write an article for my site...it's great.




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