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Pagans and Evil
#31
yeah, so actually i'll change that
to what feels good and feels evil, i think gives good and evil a reality
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#32
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I'm only new to this forum so this may have come up before, but I was wondering how other pagans/wiccans here have come to terms with the idea of evil? Considering that there is no devil or satan.

I have often theorized that 'demons' and other 'evil' entities were types of thought forms. In the case of tibetan tulpas for example, one persons dedication and meditation can bring about a materialisation of a thought form. If I were to follow that logic I would assume that the belief in evil and an output of negative energies could cause an entity to take on a life of it's own, yet still be a man-made entity (to put it as simply as possible). Silver Ravenwolf is one author who writes about evil in a similar way.

To take it one step further, if this were the case could we not theorize the same for goddesses? After thousands of years of different cultures beleiving and worshipping a deity, could this act alone be enough to produce an entity we believe to be a goddess?

Sorry if this is a whole lotta rambling but it is something I love to think about and I was wondering if anyone else had similar/contrary thoughts?



An output of negative/angry/raging feelings and thoughts, that eventually take on a form sort of sounds like what a poltergeist is said to be. I'm Pagan and I DO believe there is evil entities,people,spirits etc.. It's just that I don't know exactly how to put what I think into words that make sense on paper/mess.boards though. So I will leave it that I do believe there's evil but from what source it would be springing from I don't know.

OK so I have no idea what I did but when I edited my comment below where I replied to the first post by the OP it all went bye-bye Sad So I hit the handy dandy back button copied what I had wanted to post .I hope it works now.Sorry for the empty post box,I tried to fix it..


An output of negative/angry/raging feelings and thoughts, that eventually take on a form sort of sounds like what a poltergeist is said to be. I'm Pagan and I DO believe there is evil entities,people,spirits etc.. It's just that I don't know exactly how to put what I think into words that make sense on paper/mess.boards though. So I will leave it that I do believe there's evil but from what source it would be springing from I don't know.
why won't it post??
An output of negative/angry/raging feelings and thoughts, that eventually take on a form sort of sounds like what a poltergeist is said to be. I'm Pagan and I DO believe there is evil entities,people,spirits etc.. It's just that I don't know exactly how to put what I think into words that make sense on paper/mess.boards though. So I will leave it that I do believe there's evil but from what source it would be springing from I don't know.
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#33
So what you're saying is, when a grown Father, leaves his wife's bed to sneak in and molest his 5yr old daughter, and it really feels good to him, then, by the twisted logic of if it feels good, do it, it's ok, it's not really evil?
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#34
(02-05-2015, 06:00 AM)Itheblaze Wrote: So what you're saying is, when a grown Father, leaves his wife's bed to sneak in and molest his 5yr old daughter, and it really feels good to him, then, by the twisted logic of if it feels good, do it, it's ok, it's not really evil?

I think he might have meant observationally?
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#35
No, theblaze is right
To that person it may be ok to do that, because he'll have some justification in his head i guess.
I think tyranny is evil
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#36
It's another subjective issue....thought forms do exist but mainly only in the ether, unless enough strong thoughts are given to enable them to manifest here, and are often not under any control. The tulpa's are under the control of their makers and can be dispersed by them when necessary.

LOL...Blaze if only it was so easy just to think them away....too many people energize them by their fears etc..

There are many different energies that roam around the other dimensions but what they are depends upon your definition of evil/good. jmo.
You walk in the long grass and wonder why you can not see!!
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#37
Over the years, I have met people who stated they were "pagans". I have met members of various "pagan groups" and like society itself, there are members and followers of that belief and life style who were quite kind and giving but just like society, itself, there are those few that can cast a "bad shadow", due to their behavior, on others who have nothing but honest beliefs in how they live, worship, and how they interact with others.
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#38
Most often you are taught what is White, gray and black magic. Most Wiccans are taught that if you use your gifts to force a change it is evil.Or karmically it will backlash. Gray is where you influence the outcome and white is usually for more understanding on the situation, or enlightenment.

so if you imagine a stream. You go in, put in a dam and then dig a whole new riverbed in a direction never intended, that is black. If the stream naturally eventually forks, and you find ways to encourage it to go one way, that is gray. Say you even use a method that will not harm anything long term, like you place big ice blocks in the other path. Eventually it will dissolve... but you have still affected all things what live down that other path, and you may be doing massive damage as per butterfly affect. Id almost say gray is more like you encourage a BIT more water down one way, an almost unmeasurable (except to you as an individual not in the larger span of things) way. And white is when you just ask for clarification, warning, enlightenment or you attempt to modify your self, your own vibration to attract what you want. Even healing at the wrong time or way or person can have affect if you can not absorb it.

As a natural wiccan and a witch (officially) for a few years. I would have to say I am very aware of how I can influence things, events and people. If I am doing so to my benefit or to harm someone, or cause them pain or anguish. That is dark. I started out, Dark... It took me a very long time to use my gifts for good and for clarity and healing. There is most definitely a difference in how you feel as well. Being mostly that I work in dreams and the sub conscience, that is invasive and can be harmful and psychologically harmful. I do believe that to an extent there is always a sort of spiritual warfare going on any time that is used to harm another living thing it is evil. If you are manipulating a person's will in particular.... it is evil. That is not to say we, as humans don't always in some way. Eve if you make someone, say, feel sexually turned on and seduce them. But there is a fine line with intent.

If my ability was, say a knife. I can use that knife to dig int he soil and plant a seed or to use as a tool or even kill an animal to eat. I can also use that knife to kill a person. Anytime your 'tool' becomes a 'weapon' of ill intent, it is evil. Do onto others.... if you would not want someone spiritually / psychologically or even having physical manifestation harmign you, then there ya go.

I think if you understand the nature of things, most metaphysical, philosophical, real and otherwise, you know when you are acting out in an 'evil' manor. And trust me there is definitely evil even as a wiccan and pagan so im not sure where you get that from. I guess as pagan you can justify, say, eating an animal as that is a way of nature but you also are thankful for every bit of it....

Intent. That is your answer.
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#39
Most people aren't actually Wiccan, but some version of neo-wicca. They tend to view the Rede as if it was a set of commandments and not just advice (rede actually means advice). Karma isn't a universally accepted idea among witches or pagans. There's no such thing as a "natural Wiccan," because Wicca is initiatory and ortho-praxic. Even the names of their god and goddess are oathbound, and that info is not available to non-initiates.

Simply by existing we create ripples with everything we do. Some of them have positive effects, and some have negative, and we don't always know which is which. There is no way anyone can live and "harm none." If you're a witch and you don't practice magic, then why bother being a witch at all? Why not just go and be a humanist who happens to love nature?
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#40
Uh yes when I was in a coven we took the rede seriously, it is good sound advice, if nothing more. Oathbound and in every book out there or a google search away. (?). Your post comes off very matter of fact, lofty sounding and arrogant, and its ignorantly dangerous.

I was just trying to respect the fact some consider a Witch and a Pagan 2 totally different things. A Pagan, as I know it is more in tune with nature and natural order and cycles. A witch in my experience, even before I was in a coven, was to use ones will and intent to influence an outcome. . That is your personal experience and its pretty naive to say 'no such thing as a natural witch'. Some people are strong genetically some are not, some go to the gym. Same thing. I am sure even you recognize some people are far more suited to witchcraft than others. Or people that have things happen long before they understand any of it, which was my situation.

So I don't suddenly 'magically' lose my abilities because im out of a coven. And if you have no idea what the outcome of what you are doing is, or will be, maybe it is actually you who should cease to practice. Seriously...

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