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Pagans and Evil
01-02-2015, 10:13 AM
Post: #11
RE: Pagans and Evil
(01-02-2015 09:51 AM)Ysbryd Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 07:25 AM)HVB Wrote:  I guess I disagree with 'evil' in the Christian sense of it. (And I say 'in the Christian sense' because that was what I grew up with before exploring religion for myself.) I believe in malevolance and negativity in many different kinds of severe ways, but not 'pure evil'.

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts guys Smile


What, exactly, is evil in the Christian sense of it?

Best I can guess is evil as in the devil, demons, extreme sinners

Faeries, come take me out of this dull world,
For I would ride with you upon the wind,
Run on the top of the dishevelled tide,
And dance upon the mountains like a flame.
(William Butler Yeats, "The Land of Heart's Desire," 1894)
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01-02-2015, 02:51 PM
Post: #12
RE: Pagans and Evil
I'm only new to this forum so this may have come up before, but I was wondering how other pagans/wiccans here have come to terms with the idea of evil? Considering that there is no devil or satan.

Evil is subjective, and human nature is sufficient to explain why people do the things they do.
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01-02-2015, 05:29 PM
Post: #13
RE: Pagans and Evil
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=VnH...es&f=false

Here's a link to Silver Ravenwolf talking about something similar which I mentioned before. Perhaps it explains what I was trying to say a little better.
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01-02-2015, 08:46 PM (This post was last modified: 01-02-2015 08:47 PM by Gizmo.)
Post: #14
RE: Pagans and Evil
I cannot accept "evil" as a separate force. Or one that is somehow outside of nature. I'm not sure I believe it exists at all, as it is usually defined.

That doesn't mean there isn't some messed up behavior, or that certain people seem to lack any empathy or feeling toward others and do awful things. But it comes from their own dysfunction or lack, not from some big boogie man devil thing making them do it.

There is a vast range of behavior that spans the extremes from goodness to badness. Badness being destructive and wayward behavior. I can't bring myself to personalize it under the umbrella of "evil influences." I think it's just really selfish, awful, chaotic and destructive behavior. No outside power needed.
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01-03-2015, 08:32 AM
Post: #15
RE: Pagans and Evil
Merriam-Webster's definition of evil:

Quote:1
a : morally reprehensible : sinful, wicked <an evil impulse>
b : arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct <a person of evil reputation>
2
a archaic : inferior
b : causing discomfort or repulsion : offensive <an evil odor>
c : disagreeable <woke late and in an evil temper>
3
a : causing harm : pernicious <the evil institution of slavery>
b : marked by misfortune : unlucky

I don't see anything about an outside power causing any of this. How can it not exist?

'A phantom,' said my Uncle Mycroft, who had just materialised, 'is essentially a heteromorphic wave pattern that gains solidity when the apparition converts thermal energy from the surroundings to visible light. It's a fascinating process and I'm amazed no one has thought of harnessing it - a holographic TV that could operate from the heat given off by an average-size guinea pig.' ~ First Among Sequels, Jasper Fforde
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01-03-2015, 09:13 AM
Post: #16
RE: Pagans and Evil
I don't see anything about an outside power causing any of this. How can it not exist?
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I am pretty sure we are agreeing to a certain degree here... haha

As I have said, I agree that humans can be cruel/viscous - basically that definition you posted.

But I was questioning the idea of evil as a non-human entity or force.
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01-03-2015, 10:49 AM
Post: #17
RE: Pagans and Evil
(01-03-2015 08:32 AM)Ysbryd Wrote:  Merriam-Webster's definition of evil:

Quote:1
a : morally reprehensible : sinful, wicked <an evil impulse>
b : arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct <a person of evil reputation>
2
a archaic : inferior
b : causing discomfort or repulsion : offensive <an evil odor>
c : disagreeable <woke late and in an evil temper>
3
a : causing harm : pernicious <the evil institution of slavery>
b : marked by misfortune : unlucky

I don't see anything about an outside power causing any of this. How can it not exist?
It exists as defined by this definition. I agree to that. And there is no outside power mentioned, so yeah, I'm with you on this one.

But many people (especially ones who are deeply religious) seem to give evil a separate presence, like Evil is a power. To me, it seems more like a lack. Just as light is active, and dark is lack of light. It's not the other way around. I guess i see too often that Evil is almost personified. I don't agree with that. And that seems to be a very common way of defining it.

(Thanks for the dictionary definition. I never thought to go look it up!!! Duh!)
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01-03-2015, 03:04 PM
Post: #18
RE: Pagans and Evil
The dictionary also says demon is a devil, evil spirit. Also a person or thing regarded as evil, cruel, etc. The dictionary states this as a fact and not an opinion.
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01-04-2015, 08:30 AM
Post: #19
RE: Pagans and Evil
(01-03-2015 10:49 AM)Gizmo Wrote:  But many people (especially ones who are deeply religious) seem to give evil a separate presence, like Evil is a power. To me, it seems more like a lack. Just as light is active, and dark is lack of light. It's not the other way around. I guess i see too often that Evil is almost personified. I don't agree with that. And that seems to be a very common way of defining it.

Now I see what you're saying. Christians do tend to personify evil.

Thanks for the clarification. Smile

'A phantom,' said my Uncle Mycroft, who had just materialised, 'is essentially a heteromorphic wave pattern that gains solidity when the apparition converts thermal energy from the surroundings to visible light. It's a fascinating process and I'm amazed no one has thought of harnessing it - a holographic TV that could operate from the heat given off by an average-size guinea pig.' ~ First Among Sequels, Jasper Fforde
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01-04-2015, 09:27 AM
Post: #20
RE: Pagans and Evil
Let's not forget Buddhism and their wrathful Deities.
#1) Lha-mo: Fierce, wrathful, Goddess of the city of Lhasa.
#2) Yama: The God of death, often shown gripping the Tibetan Wheel of Life.
#3) Mahakala: Great Black One, he sired all the little shadow people floating around.
Many peoples/religions personalize evil. Most interesting sculptures and art work about evil spirits, from all over the world.
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