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Information About Orbs
02-27-2013, 03:10 PM
Post: #31
RE: Information About Orbs
(02-26-2013 05:06 PM)UglyNRude Wrote:  
(02-24-2013 04:54 PM)Gizmo Wrote:  I keep getting into this debate, and you know what? I think EVERYONE would agree if we just cleaned up the misuse of the term "orb."

People call everything orbs. Let's clarify. Okay?

There is the type of 'orb' that is caused by backscatter when flash hits particles in the air and bounces off them. If said particles are in a certain focal length away from the lens, it causes what is known as circles of confusion on the CCD where it cannot make sense of their shapes, so they become circles. People like to call these 'orbs.' They are not paranormal, any more than the red eyes you sometimes get in peoples' portraits are evidence that they are demons.

Then, there are light anomalies. These are seen (often) with the naked eye. In videos, they tend to move erratically and can go through solid objects. They often appear in conjunction with other paranormal-type events such as EVP or temperature drops. These CAN be paranormal in nature, although bugs can sometimes be the culprits.

When people get into these debates about whether orbs are paranormal, it kills me when I see them arguing about DIFFERENT THINGS.

dust orbs = not paranormal
light anomalies = possibly paranormal
red eye = DEMONS!!!! (Just kidding!)

In video you have erratic air currents that move in all directions. Foreign particles will be illuminated by the IR lighting. an evp? a temperature drop? try coincidence.

Now four different camera manufacturers have explained what they are.... how they are caused. They only live on because people lack critical thinking skills.

I'd agree with you on IR lighting, bugs, air currents playing into some photos. All possible explanations. But there are some that defy those. NOT talking about the circles of confusion caused by flash backscatter, either.

OMG, have I met someone who is even MORE critical of photographic evidence than I am? LOL What a nice thing! Seriously, I'm usually a total party pooper when I look at it and analyze it. I think I've only found a few I'd go so far as to say, "maybe" about.

The light spheres (won't use the term 'orb') can be pretty interesting.

And, I've seen two or three other pieces of photographic evidence that baffle me. But mostly, nope.
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02-28-2013, 11:26 AM
Post: #32
RE: Information About Orbs
(02-27-2013 03:10 PM)Gizmo Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 05:06 PM)UglyNRude Wrote:  
(02-24-2013 04:54 PM)Gizmo Wrote:  I keep getting into this debate, and you know what? I think EVERYONE would agree if we just cleaned up the misuse of the term "orb."

People call everything orbs. Let's clarify. Okay?

There is the type of 'orb' that is caused by backscatter when flash hits particles in the air and bounces off them. If said particles are in a certain focal length away from the lens, it causes what is known as circles of confusion on the CCD where it cannot make sense of their shapes, so they become circles. People like to call these 'orbs.' They are not paranormal, any more than the red eyes you sometimes get in peoples' portraits are evidence that they are demons.

Then, there are light anomalies. These are seen (often) with the naked eye. In videos, they tend to move erratically and can go through solid objects. They often appear in conjunction with other paranormal-type events such as EVP or temperature drops. These CAN be paranormal in nature, although bugs can sometimes be the culprits.

When people get into these debates about whether orbs are paranormal, it kills me when I see them arguing about DIFFERENT THINGS.

dust orbs = not paranormal
light anomalies = possibly paranormal
red eye = DEMONS!!!! (Just kidding!)

In video you have erratic air currents that move in all directions. Foreign particles will be illuminated by the IR lighting. an evp? a temperature drop? try coincidence.

Now four different camera manufacturers have explained what they are.... how they are caused. They only live on because people lack critical thinking skills.

I'd agree with you on IR lighting, bugs, air currents playing into some photos. All possible explanations. But there are some that defy those. NOT talking about the circles of confusion caused by flash backscatter, either.

OMG, have I met someone who is even MORE critical of photographic evidence than I am? LOL What a nice thing! Seriously, I'm usually a total party pooper when I look at it and analyze it. I think I've only found a few I'd go so far as to say, "maybe" about.

The light spheres (won't use the term 'orb') can be pretty interesting.

And, I've seen two or three other pieces of photographic evidence that baffle me. But mostly, nope.

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07-03-2013, 05:16 AM
Post: #33
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Ok then OP. My eyes must have flash in them and do the same thing as Fuji films. If you are limited to orbs through flash photography then I am sorry, but don't dismiss it for that reason. Also, as you may see in a post here, energy clumps. That is why the dust or dead insects or whatever clutter together. But there is something that encourages them to clump together. That is the mystery of the orb.
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07-03-2013, 09:41 AM
Post: #34
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Its been proven over and over where orbs are created and how by camera manufacturers and extensive testing with stereo photography. Foreign particles illuminated by the flash and also light creating shapes as it goes through the lens.
Of course we are willing to see actual facts not a I believe so it is

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08-25-2013, 03:57 AM
Post: #35
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Ok figured I would add how to eliminate capturing orbs.
First know that orbs are captured the first few inches from your camera. By not using a point and shoot camera and switching to a dslr with a lens hood you eliminate them. See illustration.
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Now lets look at orbs captured in video, these are also able to be eliminated by using a device that has been around a while the DEVA Dust elimination video apparatus.
http://www.ghostgadgets.com/_howto/DEVA.html

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08-25-2013, 09:45 AM
Post: #36
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You can actually fashion a lens hood from an empty paper towel or toilet paper roll if you can't buy one.

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10-02-2015, 05:48 AM (This post was last modified: 10-02-2015 05:49 AM by The Necromancer.)
Post: #37
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While I agree that MOST cases of 'orbs' can be explained scientifically and logically as being dust or bugs, there are some 'orbs' that both manifest and disappear in the same frame....or will fly around erratically before vanishing into a wall or a person's head...or will 'pulsate' and change colour.

It's difficult to explain those few, rare cases away as being 'dust' or 'bugs'.

It's also illogical to jump to the conclusion that orbs are ghosts/spirits...they could be caused by atmospheric conditions like static electricity or mini 'ball lightning'...even methane gas escaping the ground can cause these 'orbs'.

For these rare cases where these 'orbs' behave erratically and don't have wings...saying they are 'dust' or 'bugs' is just as erroneous as saying they are 'ghosts'.

Even skeptics should be honest and simply say; 'I don't know what the hell these things are' than simply trying to explain them away as being 'dust' or 'bugs'.

I'm going to say 'I don't know what 'orbs' are, but I know what they are not...they are not dust, not insects and not ghosts'.
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10-02-2015, 06:22 AM
Post: #38
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Its been proven through testing orbs are caused by foreign material illuminated by a flash. That material can be dust, pollen, lint, dead skin, moisture, and a host of other materials. Light reflection can also cause an orb. Orbs can not be captured at all by simply moving the flash further from the lens and adding a lens hood. At least four of the camera manufacturers have also explained orbs (but what do they know) Orbs are also proven as materials within inches of the lens by the use of stereo photography. I cannot believe in the year 2015 I still need to explain this.

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10-03-2015, 03:32 AM
Post: #39
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Love this, thank you for sharing. I have never believed much in orbs.
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10-21-2015, 12:50 PM
Post: #40
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I assure you I have some footage that you can't deny, but I also assure you I am not here to entertain you. I understand what it is to not believe. Until your eyes open you won't be able to see a thing.
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