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EVP is not evidence of ghosts
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I don't think it's so much 'beating each other over the head' as it is presenting different points of view and challenges to statements made. It also gives anyone reading a balance...might bring up points that someone hasn't considered.

From where I sit, it seems that many who investigate paranormal spend more time trying to make something seem unexplained than they do showing how to avoid the mistakes UNR spoke of. For me...showing what is explainable is the best way to teach how to investigate the paranormal.

And yes, 'evidence' and 'proof' are two different things--however what most people call evidence in the paranormal is actually collected data..and if you look deeper, much of it has a non-paranormal explanation to consider first.
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(09-07-2013, 06:24 AM)scarygirl67 Wrote: I don't think it's so much 'beating each other over the head' as it is presenting different points of view and challenges to statements made. It also gives anyone reading a balance...might bring up points that someone hasn't considered.

From where I sit, it seems that many who investigate paranormal spend more time trying to make something seem unexplained than they do showing how to avoid the mistakes UNR spoke of. For me...showing what is explainable is the best way to teach how to investigate the paranormal.

And yes, 'evidence' and 'proof' are two different things--however what most people call evidence in the paranormal is actually collected data..and if you look deeper, much of it has a non-paranormal explanation to consider first.

I agree with you that evidence is collected data and that most of it has a normal explanation. My only point was that if someone has an "experience" that can't be quantified with data or measured with numbers or explained away with shadows, tricks of the mind or other things how does person A ever expect to convince person B that they checked all of those things. Person B will continue to doubt no matter what person A says and the result from us observing is that person B is calling into question the integrity of person A.

I guess what I'm saying is that you can have a genuine experience that defies explanation but there is no way to prove it to anyone else because there is always a way for the other person to discount it.

In other words if I see a ghost standing right in front of me as I type this, how am I going to convince you or anyone else otherwise. For every answer I give, you (metaphorically speaking not you personally) will continue to search for reasons to discount my experience and it will get to a point where I won't be able to convince you anyway.

Forget all the goofy tech toys, it boils down to one person believing what another has to say and unfortunately in this world today, no one accepts proof or evidence of proving or disproving anything (and I'm not just talking paranormal) which is why the country and the world is in the sorry state it is in. People revise history to suit their ends (civil rights history), they fudge data (think global warming) so when it comes to something as "out there" as proving ghosts exist, it's never going to be possible.
Peace,

David

"There are more things in Heaven and earth Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy".

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