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Question: Is science open to proving ghosts exist?
#1
Really simple question: Does science give ghosts and unfair dismissal because they can't be shown to exist in a lab setting? Realistically, aren't ghosts if they do exist tied in some way to their environment? Logically speaking then, wouldn't scientists need to conduct their experiments in the field to find proof?

Why won't any scientists repeat the experiments in 1907 with regard to weighing the soul?

Just some questions...I think science is leery about taking the subject too seriously because they are afraid to find out that faith may not be all superstition.

What are your thoughts?
Peace,

David

"There are more things in Heaven and earth Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy".

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#2
I would say many are looking for the truth, its why we see experiments looking at the human mind. We see testing at how people experience anything from ghosts to god when the front temporal lobe is exposed to stimulation. Its why we see sleep studies and understand how people can have vivid dreams and even hallucinate. We have teams of scientists who have studied infra-sound and its effect on the human mind. We have people in the psychiatric field that are also doing paranormal investigations. We have people who will tell you what drugs can cause you to lucid dream. They test mixing of chemicals to see how it can effect you.

Now lets look at the paranormal field, most teams who claim to be using science are a joke. They think because it takes batteries its scientific. Do you even know what the scientific process is? Do you know when you think you capture something its submitted for peer review? Well in the paranormal circus they instead hide in no drama areas and post all their explainable evidence. Or they post pictures on their web site and fail to explain what it is because they want to impress the innocent. Are you willing to submit your teams page for peer review?
Belief bias occurs when we make illogical conclusions in order to confirm our preexisting beliefs. Belief perseverance refers to our tendency to maintain a belief even after the evidence we used to form the belief is contradicted.
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#3
I don't have the ability to do that since I don't have a team. I work with one, but it's not my call and for your information, I listen to thousands of items submitted to me and if one or two pass my ears and eyes my team is lucky..they don't wallow in evidence and in fact for the most part I am able to explain all of it. I think you have drawn a bad conclusion on me based on a handful of posts. ANything that does pass through, I do not claim is paranormal, my claim is I cannot explain it...BIG DIFFERENCE.

(08-29-2013, 06:23 AM)magicdavidpa Wrote: I don't have the ability to do that since I don't have a team. I work with one, but it's not my call and for your information, I listen to thousands of items submitted to me and if one or two pass my ears and eyes my team is lucky..they don't wallow in evidence and in fact for the most part I am able to explain all of it. I think you have drawn a bad conclusion on me based on a handful of posts. ANything that does pass through, I do not claim is paranormal, my claim is I cannot explain it...BIG DIFFERENCE.

And by the way, the same holds true for photographs. In fact there is not one photograph I claim to be paranormal. What I do say is that I cannot explain some of them, but that doesn't make them paranormal. So I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm sitting on mountains of deluded self-evidence my friend.
Peace,

David

"There are more things in Heaven and earth Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy".

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#4
Yes, science is open to the existence of ghosts being proven. The question I have is, are paranormal teams as a whole willing to put the kind of work into it that is required? How many know what the scientific method is?

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If you read most teams 'evidence' they are starting all things with a pre-conceived conclusion...that ghosts exist in the first place. That is not being scientific. There is no way to show how something that has never been proven communicates or presents itself. If the thought of 'ghost' is involved shouldn't it be proven that they exist before anything is presented as evidence for what they do?

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#5
well its obvious why they dont respect work done over 100 years ago because variables was not identified or controlled

scientists have done loads of experiments and everything they touch is explained or fake

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#6
... I am suddenly having flash backs to my college chemistry labs...

Some scientists are open to the possibility of ghosts. Other scientists are not open to the possibility. Some believers are open to scientific method. Others are not.

The key is to remember to take into account that just because something hasn't been proven doesn't mean it isn't possible-- it just means you haven't found the proof yet.

Science has explained a lot of phenomenon that used to be paranormal. As one specific example-- the historical belief in vampires being rampant can be explained by the numerous cases of people being buried alive due to a lack in modern medicine as well as explained by the research done on the decomposition process. (And that statement makes me think of "Horrible History"-- lol)

Why won't any scientists repeat the experiments in 1907 with regard to weighing the soul?

Because of the molecular weight of the atmosphere, which escapes the lungs after the death rattle (final breath of air) leaves the lungs? Just tossing that out there. Though, I'd heard of that study before, I'd have to read up on it again... do you have a link or can you direct me towards it?
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#7
The soul, as you call it, i'm gonna call it the part of a being that sees beyond the use of the eyes, ie the sight and whatever it is connected to, which i don't know, but what i was gonna say is that the sight or soul may well be beyond the grip of gravity, and may not be subject to what has been called the speed of light barrier. So all is in air, maybe in more senses than i meant when i started the sentence. If there is such a thing as soul or indivisible being or wothaveyou, it seems to like being human. My scientific friend who had to drop his body couple years ago, used to say that all wants to go to oxygen. And so the soul gets it's supply via the human body? Just postulating. Maybe we're just being farmed for the soul eaters, normally i would not say that but for the fact that i read part of a book that someone left. It's called "condemned". I can't recall the author. It's by a what may be called a streetwise person, who was a gang leader in Yorkshire. A true story. I got to page 87 wherein he, the author, decided to commit suicide. Ties a scarf round his neck, jumps out of a window. Is dangling gasping for breath, the scarf snaps, he hits the ground gasping for breath, all around him he is approached by whispering beings, something like this, i lost the book after that page, left it on a bus, anyway, they are coming for him, as he gets his breath back, the beings recede. Just a thought.
My scientific friend did not get eaten by soul eaters, because i did get a visit from him, before i was phoned about his passing. But that's another story and rather complicated to explain, as simple as it is, his visit i mean. Alright.
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