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Are NDE's a hint of survival?
07-31-2011, 02:52 PM (This post was last modified: 07-31-2011 02:52 PM by Fiona.)
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Are NDE's a hint of survival?
I was giving some thought today about OBE and NDE's. I've always felt that reports of authentic NDE's are quite strong evidence that we are more than just the organs we are built of. Is it possible that they hint at an existance outside of the body?

I realise some doctors/experts have said that some of the visions that people have can be hallucination - definitely possible. But hallucination does not - and cannot, surely? - discount the experiences of those people who describe "leaving" their physical body, only to find themselves watching the events going on around them.

Some people have woken from serious operations - where, for moments, they died - and have been able to wake and describe everything. Who was there, who did what, who said what etc, down to the finest detail. Now if that's hallucination, it's an amazing coincidence.

There are also reports of people who momentarily "died" and saw people they didn't know had died on the other side - only to come back, mention it to family or friends, and have them say "Yes, they died, we just didn't tell you though, because of your ill health." That's quite impressive.

I suppose NDE's will never been seen as solid proof, but I feel it's a hint that our mind could be independent of our bodies.

What do you think?
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08-29-2011, 08:31 PM
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RE: Are NDE's a hint of survival?
My personal opinion is yes.

Have you ever had a song give you goosebumps because it struck a cord with you? How about a story of someone helping/saving someone that brought you to tears? I've wondered if the reason these things can move us so deeply is because they touch the part of us that isn't just a bunch of organs. I've wondered if the universal force that allows us knowledge and insight of things beyond what "is possible" communicates/is on the level that a touching song, story, ect is on.

I've heard about our brains trying to comfort our dying body as well as just our brains firing off randomness that becomes interpritated as what is commonly discribed when a person is no longer functioning or close to no longer functioning. However I don't feel this is true due to my own near death experiance as well as an out of body experiance. Doesn't mean its not possible the other things are also happening! No disrespect to anyone who views it otherwise either.

Wanted to add my 2 cents heh ^^;
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08-30-2011, 01:26 PM
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RE: Are NDE's a hint of survival?
I haven't researched NDEs enough to form an opinion on all of them. I do think many of the experiences are a function of the brain attempting to replay memories in order to digest what is happening. Especially those NDE visions of a religious/cultural nature that coincide with the person's religious background. The NDEs you describe of the person witnessing the events surrounding their body with fine detail are a mystery to me. It could be a form of precognition/remote viewing of a psychic nature, do to the condition the brain is in when dying. Or, There could be some impressions left on the person's subconscious through hearing suggestion, which manifested into a vision due the brain fighting for survival, with the details being subconsciously added due past knowledge. I don't know. As far as the person who experienced meeting a deceased relative who they did not know had passed, I would have to research the event, interviews would have to be conducted to find out exactly what hints might have been picked up by the person consciously or subconsciously before they expressed their vision. I have never had the opportunity to know someone who experienced an NDE to be able to do this. This topic needs much more research.

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10-06-2011, 08:06 PM (This post was last modified: 10-06-2011 08:10 PM by beauseant.)
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I had an NDE back in 2004.

I did not see jesus or any religious figures, nor did i see that white light everyone talks about. Does that mean I went to hell???Blueoh

I did talk with someone while I was....elsewhere.....in a black abyss. It was comforting in that abyss, and i talked with someone i cannot remember, and i felt no pain ....that didn't happen till i returned to my body. Unwillingingly I may add.
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10-08-2011, 04:32 PM (This post was last modified: 10-08-2011 04:33 PM by 1TxLady.)
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NDE's / OBE's are something I've followed and in which I have great interest. I know several who have experienced such including as you said describing things around them it is not possible they could have seen from their position whether it be an accident location, an operating table or bed.

One of the ones I know was a state trooper who was not religious at all prior to his NDE experience. In fact he was quite agnostic and wasn't raised in a particularly religious environment. He spoke vividly, with great articulation and deep emotion of his experience while in a 4 month coma after coding twice in the OR including a specific angel that he claims was with him the entire time and of which he had no prior knowledge of the name. I think if you ask ones who work in cancer wards, cardiac wards and hospices they would give you great insight as to what they have encountered with those who have NDE's / OBE's. While I know it is the scientific position to claim these as hallucinations, I can't personally accept that in anywhere close to 100% of the cases. I do know it is a life changing experience often with a "known purpose as a result.

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12-27-2014, 08:04 PM
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RE: Are NDE's a hint of survival?
(07-31-2011 02:52 PM)Fiona Wrote:  I was giving some thought today about OBE and NDE's. I've always felt that reports of authentic NDE's are quite strong evidence that we are more than just the organs we are built of. Is it possible that they hint at an existance outside of the body?

I realise some doctors/experts have said that some of the visions that people have can be hallucination - definitely possible. But hallucination does not - and cannot, surely? - discount the experiences of those people who describe "leaving" their physical body, only to find themselves watching the events going on around them.

Some people have woken from serious operations - where, for moments, they died - and have been able to wake and describe everything. Who was there, who did what, who said what etc, down to the finest detail. Now if that's hallucination, it's an amazing coincidence.

There are also reports of people who momentarily "died" and saw people they didn't know had died on the other side - only to come back, mention it to family or friends, and have them say "Yes, they died, we just didn't tell you though, because of your ill health." That's quite impressive.

I suppose NDE's will never been seen as solid proof, but I feel it's a hint that our mind could be independent of our bodies.

What do you think?

NDE Hint of survival! In my life I have had three distinct NDE's but I only needed one to convince me that there is life beyond this existence. That and a continuous series of OBE's, contact with beings from somewhere, shadow people, columns of light [recently], and someone (being) who has menaced each member of my family in a more annoying way for the past few decades. I say this with a matter of fact tone in my voice because after so long a period, it is not the big boo-haa-haa it used to be. Over the period of my remodeling/contracting years of 35 years, I inadvertently disturbed any number of people (not of our world) and they often let me know.
I don't know what others think, but for me its real.
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12-27-2014, 09:06 PM
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RE: Are NDE's a hint of survival?
It's more than a hint if you disconnect from your body. Stop your blood flow by pressing your main artery to your head. You'll soon find out. Take it easy.
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02-11-2015, 08:11 PM
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RE: Are NDE's a hint of survival?
Well, ponder the fact that the thought process has been altered for essentially everybody who has experienced, witnessed, or even studied NDE's. Of course hard-headed scientists and doctors are going to write everything off at first, but there are accounts where their beliefs have been changed completely.

Notable examples include Dr. Moody and Dr. Alexander.
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